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Re:Employee shortages: Where have all the workers gone? by honkdaddy on Saturday July 31, 2021 @08:45AM (#28017619)
What would you call it if we had 5 positions at the widget factory, but only 4 prospective employees looking for work? Wouldn't that constitute a worker shortage, as no matter how high I make my wages as a widget foreman, there are still less workers than there are open positions?

Or is that not something that could really happen outside of a textbook problem?

Re:Employee shortages: Where have all the workers gone? by cogman10 on Saturday July 31, 2021 @08:58AM (#28017723)
What are your requirements for the widget employees? Are you willing to train or educate? How effective has your advertisement for the job/wage been?

On a microlevel, a worker shortage is a reflection of lack of wage and too strict requirements. You can't find a worker because your potential workers are happily doing a different jobs. You've not incentivized them enough to come work for you. You might say "But we are offering $15/hour!" and that's fine, but that's what a lot of other companies are now offering. You make balk at the idea of going up further as being "too much" but that just underscores the problem.

Now if it truly is a labor shortage, SOMEONE is going to be left with not enough workers. That'll always be the person that wants "15 years of experience! We pay $30k/year!".

Just do the extreme. Do you think you'd struggle to find someone if the offering was "$200k/year!"? Hell no, you'd have people moving to live in your widget city for that job.

Re:Employee shortages: Where have all the workers gone? by djbebs on Saturday July 31, 2021 @09:00AM (#28017734)
Thats not something that happens in real life, because you will run out of resources to pay the prospective workers with before the total supply of prospective workers is exhausted.

Realistically, you can even hire people to manufacture additional workers, if you have the financial and time resources required.

Re:Employee shortages: Where have all the workers gone? by Retric on Saturday July 31, 2021 @08:55AM (#28017690)
Offer people enough money and they will move. Offer even more and they will train specifically to do the job.

Jobs that require lots of training can have short term global shortages of skilled workers. But, that quickly self corrects as long as salaries increase.

Re:Employee shortages: Where have all the workers gone? by sundaeofshock on Saturday July 31, 2021 @09:21AM (#28017903)
That does not necessarily follow. It’s very difficult to put food on the table while going to school in hopes of landing a job in a new field.

Pay living wages and provide paid, on-the-job training. That will get prospective employees through the door.

Re:Employee shortages: Where have all the workers gone? by x0x0 on Saturday July 31, 2021 @12:18PM (#28019447)
If it's that important to employers, they'll pay them during the training period.

This used to be standard practice. It's a modern development (80s on) that businesses demanded workers come pre trained.

Re:Employee shortages: Where have all the workers gone? by Retric on Saturday July 31, 2021 @12:09PM (#28019357)
It does at a high enough salary. Some people are unable to pay for their own training but you don’t need everyone you simply need enough people. Start offering Doctor money and people will jump through insane hoops, but it scales down so even 20$ an hour will motivate some people to do a specialized training course on their own dime.
Re:Employee shortages: Where have all the workers gone? by randomdata on Saturday July 31, 2021 @10:21AM (#28018350)
The other employees will catch wind of your million dollar per hour offers thrown out in an desperate attempt to find someone, demand that you pay them that much as well, and you'll be bankrupt by Friday. At that point you will have no open positions and everything is corrected for. Or, to avoid bankruptcy, you won't increase your offer and therefore will be removed from the market as a buyer for that position.

A shortage occurs when an external force prevents price from rising. Medical doctors in some jurisdictions, for example, are often legally prevented from accepting higher offers to prioritize patients. Instead their service fees are fixed and they have to accept patients on system that is usually a mix of first come, first serve and needs-based priority. Therefore a doctor shortage, in said jurisdictions, is quite possible. But you generally won't find such restrictions in the general labour pool.

Re:Employee shortages: Where have all the workers gone? by ren_engineer on Saturday July 31, 2021 @10:12AM (#28018277)
pay more money or any other incentive that would cause more people to be interested in the job. Why do you think FAANG has hundreds of applications for each job while startups struggle to hire?
Re:Employee shortages: Where have all the workers gone? by ericd on Saturday July 31, 2021 @11:12AM (#28018807)
Paying more is relatively easy to do when your company makes a few million per employee. The vast majority of companies aren’t blessed with pseudo-monopolies that allow them to do that.
Re:Employee shortages: Where have all the workers gone? by rapind on Saturday July 31, 2021 @09:13AM (#28017823)
Not really. You'd have to add some very contrived constraints, like:

1) There's no one currently employed elsewhere that can make widgets who you could poach for enough money.

2) Widget making is so specialized and / or time is so short that you can't train up another worker to fill the role.

If #1 and #2 aren't possible because your margin can't cover it, then you have a failed business, not a labour shortage.

So basically "labour shortage" in a market economy is a myth, usually circulated to suppress wages. Anyone who says "labour shortage" really means "not enough cheap labour".

Re:Employee shortages: Where have all the workers gone? by bulletsvshumans on Saturday July 31, 2021 @08:51AM (#28017659)
Advertise a higher than expected wage, and you will see more people coming out of the woodwork.