I'm not from the US but this also a very good sum up why the US will never ever have universal health care
How far to enforce this and where the limit is and how to balance the different rights is a big debate happening on which I didn't make any claim.
"You all can get vaccinated" however isn't enough, if nobody is being vaccinated. On a vaccination rate of 95% restrictions can't be upheld anymore as well. Where the point is between those I don't know.
I wrote:
> Being obese makes you more susceptible to most communicable diseases, colds, and flus
I didn't say an obese person can infect others with obesity. I said they make it more likely that others will get infected with communicable diseases, colds, and flus.
Exactly the same situation with the vaccinated and COVID.
The discussion here was about COVID and need for restrictions and restrictions come from the infectious nature.
An obese individual poses more risks to others than a non-obese individual. They are more susceptible to every disease, which means that if you interact with them in a public place, you are placed more at risk. Obesity itself is also starting to be deemed socially contagious.
> TUESDAY, Jan. 23, 2018 (HealthDay News) -- Living in a neighborhood with a high rate of obesity might raise the odds that you and your children will become plus-sized, too.
https://www.webmd.com/diet/obesity/news/20180123/is-obesity-...
For a child, which can't be vaccinated currently, a single contact with a single infected person can cause an infection and consequences.
Quite different for me.
And yes, obesity is bad and we need ways to delay with it (while for the article, i wonder a bit about cause and effect, but I don't wa t to debate this in this thread)
An obese person is more likely to have a communicable disease. Coming into contact with them can cause an infection. This is no different than COVID.
Are you for banning obese people from public spaces? I fail to see the difference.
And yes, I am for encouraging healthy lifestyle (while that alone isn't enough as there are genetical predeterminations etc.)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexandrasternlicht/2020/05/11/...
> it has been clearly illustrated that obese patients are potentially more vulnerable to COVID-19 and more contagious than lean patients
https://www.rcpjournals.org/content/clinmedicine/20/4/e109
> Due to prolonged viral shedding, quarantine in obese subjects should likely be longer than normal weight individuals.
There is also a big difference between making sugary drinks expensive/banned and locking people that consume sugary drinks into their houses.
In the end its always battle between two sides. The winer get to decide the rules.
Other behaviour does not cost any business money. People being obese makes businesses money, so why would they fund propoganda to stop it?
Leave obesity, what about water pollution? Do we still remember the events portrayed in movies like Darkwater and documentries like "What lies upstream"? How CDC just stood by while an entire area of human population were being subject to toxic water and produce getting cancer and other serious health issues..
After nearly 5 decades after the events shown in the movie DarkWaters, PFOA is still unregulated in many developing countries.
Where is the health agencies that so want to "save lives", doing something about it. F*k the whole lot of them!
Unvaccinated are a huge risk to the perception that being vaccinated is better option. Bret Weinstein talks about it in their podcast. If most people are vaccinated, then the vaccinated cannot be easily compared against the unvaccinated. So if just in case the vaccine didn't work as expected, it would be very clear by comparing these two populations. Which could be why the push to vaccinate everyone.
Otherwise yeah those are good points.
Being obese makes you more susceptible to most communicable diseases, colds, and flus, yet I don't see anyone calling for Doritos to be banned and those with a BMI over 30 to be restricted from participating in society.
At some point, you have to take personal responsibility. You cannot offload every single one of your personal health concerns on to the rest of the population.