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Re:38% of remote workers work from bed by KronisLV on Friday July 30, 2021 @03:50AM (#28005535)
I'm still amazed at how we lack both ergonomic and comfortable ways to use computers, it's usually just either one or the other, never both.

Imagine a large pillow that's shaped vaguely like human back should be when resting, which you could put on your bed to support your entire back, neck and head, at a slight incline. Then, add a keyboard support that can be moved around, alongside with one for mouse (or just a trackpad), as well as a VESA wall mount for a few monitors above the bed, angled so that you can look up at the screens directly, without putting too much strain on your eyes.

Essentially, it'd be the bed version of this: https://altwork.com/

And, because it'd be just a few pillows and some aluminum pieces for the mounts, it shouldn't break the bank like the linked item either. Otherwise, even with reminders to get up and walk around every hour, it always feels like my back is in the wrong position, regardless whether i'm sitting at a table with a chair, laying in bed with some pillows underneath or anything else. Even though i do stretches and daily exercise, the lack of truly ergonomic ways to work without having to constantly monitor my own posture (which will realistically never happen) feels like a detriment, or at least will become one in 20 years, when back issues start manifesting.

So here's my question: why are people so obsessed with office chairs and why don't we have such pillows be more popular, or just don't put more thought into working from bed?

Re:38% of remote workers work from bed by ganzuul on Friday July 30, 2021 @05:51AM (#28006262)
The most capable and ergonomic interface device I have found is, after extensive configuration, the Steam Controller. For file management, web browsing and social media I don't really have to use a keyboard aside from typing, and in both modes my posture is symmetric. Transition to games is of course seamless.

Sadly, it is no longer on the market but the community behind it expects a new model.

Re:38% of remote workers work from bed by hyper_dynamics on Friday July 30, 2021 @04:09AM (#28005642)
Re:38% of remote workers work from bed by KronisLV on Friday July 30, 2021 @04:48AM (#28005863)
Thanks for the link! 400 euros seems way better in regards to affordability!

Here's a Google Translate link for anyone who isn't familiar with the German language: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https...

Re:38% of remote workers work from bed by zepolen on Friday July 30, 2021 @06:44AM (#28006564)
This is almost my setup for years, except using a laptop with a hi-res 17" screen rested on my knees.

I can sit in this position for hours on end without getting uncomfortable.

I've tried out every office chair including the Aeron, they don't compare in any way. If I was forced to work from a chair, I'd get a $100 adjustable deck chair.

I also found multiple monitors are very tiring on your head/eyes which need to be constantly moving between them which takes time and energy. Alt-tabbing is much quicker and as a bonus you're not gimped when forced to work from a single monitor/laptop while outside.

Re:38% of remote workers work from bed by KronisLV on Friday July 30, 2021 @11:51AM (#28009280)
I'm afraid that trying to compile an enterprise Java codebase with a laptop on my knees would be painful, since currently it maxes out all cores for a few minutes.

A deck chair seems like an interesting idea, however!

In regards to screens, I've found that 4 is still not enough for me - even some of them are stacked vertically with a DIY VESA mount and stand, so the movements end up being pretty limited and are more like the occasional gentle stretch.

Then again, I'm the kind of person who likes to have multiple categorized browser instances open, text editors, IDEs, source control tools and terminals to the point where managing all of the windows would be a hassle. Workspaces could help, maybe even tiling window managers, but I think everyone has their own preferred workflows.

Re:38% of remote workers work from bed by Tade0 on Friday July 30, 2021 @07:17AM (#28006740)
For the pillows I recommend pregnancy pillows - they're filled with some kind of small grains and adjust to your body perfectly, providing an amazing level of comfort.
Re:38% of remote workers work from bed by exo762 on Friday July 30, 2021 @09:04AM (#28007486)
I've tried setup like this. I fall asleep immediately. It seems that I require some amount of discomfort to stay focused.
Re:38% of remote workers work from bed by csomar on Friday July 30, 2021 @05:56AM (#28006293)
Is $7k really expensive even for non-programming jobs? Assuming a 5-year lifespan, that comes at around $120/month which should be affordable to most of the developed world.

I have another theory: The reason we didn't adopt such ergonomic setups is because they look "weird". We are quite used to sitting in chairs and it's not quite far from sitting on a rock.

A customized ergonomic setup will pay itself in quite a short time.

Re:38% of remote workers work from bed by KronisLV on Friday July 30, 2021 @08:33AM (#28007250)
Yes, it is. For that same amount of money, in my country, i could purchase 2 used cars, or just buy food for about 3 years (without eating out), or pay rent for almost 2 years.

Alternatively, such a setup would cost me almost 5 month's worth of net salaries (as a software developer in one of the countries that people outsource to) and that is before any additional shipping costs.

Such setups might make sense for people in the 1st world countries with decent salaries, but for me and may others who live in Eastern Europe or other countries that aren't as financially advanced, that is still a considerable sum of money.

As for your point in regards to looks - i somewhat agree, however i definitely wouldn't mind such a setup in a full remote working position.

Especially when eventually coupled with some high quality VR headset that would provide a passable resolution for programming (essentially at least an effective resolution of 1280x720 per virtual screen). It might be a while until that becomes feasible, if ever, though.

Re:38% of remote workers work from bed by oauea on Friday July 30, 2021 @10:53AM (#28008632)
> or pay rent for almost 2 years.

What country is that?

Re:38% of remote workers work from bed by KronisLV on Friday July 30, 2021 @11:39AM (#28009141)
Latvia. To give you some perspective, my current net salary is around 1500 euros per month ( the national average is a bit under 1000 https://tradingeconomics.com/latvia/wages ).

Rent in an average small flat is around 300 euros, though could also reach 400 euros or more with heating expenses ( https://m.ss.lv/lv/real-estate/flats/riga/all/fDgTeF4RAzp4FD... some of these adverts list daily prices though ).

Regardless, 7000 USD is around 5900 EUR, so 5900/300 = almost 20 months of rent covered. This also assumes no shipping costs, which might add a bit more.

Re:38% of remote workers work from bed by ecshafer on Friday July 30, 2021 @08:58AM (#28007436)
This is the most out of touch comment I have seen in a long time, even for hackernews. A lot of people with office jobs are making $35k-$40k a year. You're talking about 1/4th of their take home salary, and $120 a month is an expense that at least 50% of America couldn't afford and most don't have $7k on hand to blow.
Re:38% of remote workers work from bed by csomar on Friday July 30, 2021 @10:00AM (#28008042)
If you get a 10% gain in productivity, the chair/desk already paid for itself. It also replaces both a chair and a desk, so the total cost is less than $7k.

> You're talking about 1/4th of their take home salary

Over a life span of 5 years, that's less than a 10% of take-home salary. Non-Ergonomic chairs have a high future cost for your health but I guess doing that math is not humans strongest feature.

Re:38% of remote workers work from bed by railsgirls112 on Friday July 30, 2021 @10:45AM (#28008529)
10% gain in productivity =/= 10% gain in compensation, most people already have a chair/desk so replacing their function does not automatically make it cheaper. Seems like you're doing more of a math problem instead of applying this to actual people.
Re:38% of remote workers work from bed by hsbauauvhabzb on Friday July 30, 2021 @04:17AM (#28005693)
Subbing to this, in case somebody drops commercial or DIY bed monitor visa mounts or spine friendly bed pillows
Re:38% of remote workers work from bed by tpxl on Friday July 30, 2021 @06:38AM (#28006518)
You can save a comment on HN by clicking the comment timestamp then clicking favorite :)
Re:38% of remote workers work from bed by birdyrooster on Friday July 30, 2021 @04:24AM (#28005734)
Adjustable beds and over bed tables exist and people use them to do stuff from bed.