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Re:On Geofoam by goodpoint on Thursday July 29, 2021 @10:09AM (#27996732)
"Geofoam is not biodegradable"

Potential toxicity of polystyrene microplastic particles https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-64464-9

"Polystyrene is ubiquitous within sea-surface samples collected from across the globe" https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/es504525u

Am I missing something?

Re:On Geofoam by wizzwizz4 on Thursday July 29, 2021 @10:22AM (#27996897)
> flame retardant chemicals used to treat geofoam were shown to be accumulating in the ground, which led to their [i.e., the flame retardants’] discontinuation in Europe but not the US

It appears that people are paying attention to the ecological impact. (In some places, at least.)

Re:On Geofoam by andyjohnson0 on Thursday July 29, 2021 @10:20AM (#27996878)
Its inert, so its not biodegradable, but it also doesn't break down the way that styrofoam* does. And it can be re-used. I'm not convinced that any of this makes it A Good Thing tbh, but it is possibly less bad than some of the alternatives.

* which is an absolute menace in my opinion

Edit: s/expanded polystyrene/styrofoam

Re:On Geofoam by falcolas on Thursday July 29, 2021 @10:41AM (#27997112)
Um, this is expanded polystyrene, just with a fancy "polite" name. Per TFA:

Despite its uncanny appearance, geofoam is incredibly prosaic. Essentially, it’s polystyrene. Expanded polystyrene (EPS) geofoam — the most common type — is made from small polystyrene resin beads that contain microscopic cells filled with a blowing agent, which expand when exposed to steam under controlled pressure and are molded and fused into a brick shape.

Re:On Geofoam by istjohn on Thursday July 29, 2021 @10:39AM (#27997080)
Geofoam is expanded polystyrene.
Re:On Geofoam by drewcoo on Thursday July 29, 2021 @10:14AM (#27996801)
If it were biodegradable, geofoam hills would turn into geofoam-vacant sinkholes.
Re:On Geofoam by goodpoint on Thursday July 29, 2021 @10:21AM (#27996881)
Many substances are selectively biodegradable i.e. remain shelf-stable forever as long as they are not exposed to oxygen or sunlight or whatnot.

Also, concrete degrades by itself. In decades it crumbles, pulverizes and goes back into being soil.

But, importantly, it does not become toxic particulate like plastic.

[edit: corrected phrasing, thanks zdragnar]

Same for other sustainable materials like compacted soil, gravel, sand...

Re:On Geofoam by devonkim on Thursday July 29, 2021 @11:03AM (#27997370)
The production of concrete is responsible for a ton of pollution in the world and while there's significantly lower environmental impact concrete available, few projects use them because of its higher costs for primarily environmental benefits. The distribution of the lifecycle of the environmental impact matters and if things are pretty bad now I'd strongly consider anything with backloaded environmental costs over ones that have environmental costs incurred up-front.
Re:On Geofoam by zdragnar on Thursday July 29, 2021 @11:02AM (#27997351)
Isn't that simply weathering?

Biodegradable would seem to imply to me that bacteria and fungi feast on it and convert it to what we consider soil.

Re:On Geofoam by harry-wood on Thursday July 29, 2021 @11:22AM (#27997600)
The bit about petroleum solvents, makes me wonder about sinkholes. "causes it to dissolve and break down into a non-load-bearing sludge", so if some joker tips a bottle of that in the park then a sludgy hole in the ground will start forming?
Re:On Geofoam by mikewarot on Friday July 30, 2021 @10:54AM (#28008647)
If there is any reasonable amount of soil above it, I suspect the bacteria and fungi will eat it well before it gets down to the foam.
Re:On Geofoam by tpm on Thursday July 29, 2021 @10:21AM (#27996885)
"Biodegradable essentially means that an item can be broken down into increasingly smaller pieces by bacteria, fungi or microbes to be reabsorbed by the surrounding environment, ideally without causing any pollution."

So it degrades, but causes pollution, therefore it is not biodegradable. That is my understanding.

Re:On Geofoam by throw0101a on Thursday July 29, 2021 @11:08AM (#27997428)
> Am I missing something?

If the foam blocks are buried, it's less likely they'll make it into the water cycle. (That's not to say they won't cause other problems.)

Also, all the samples collected are not biodegraded, but rather the actual molecule of plastics that's simply gotten smaller and smaller. See "microplastics":

* https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/microplastics.html

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microplastics

Re:On Geofoam by 7952 on Thursday July 29, 2021 @10:25AM (#27996924)
Biodegrade means that living organisms have decomposed the substance. But it can still degrade in other ways.
Re:On Geofoam by LargoLasskhyfv on Friday July 30, 2021 @06:23AM (#28006444)