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Re:Vaccines and our return to office plans by throwawayboise on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @01:33PM (#27986572)
There are hundreds of deaths everyday from many preventable causes, we generally don't force people to take medications or change their lifestyle to reduce them.
Re:Vaccines and our return to office plans by zaptheimpaler on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @01:51PM (#27986953)
Yes because those causes usually dont affect others. With COVID, those unvaccinated people create a breeding ground for new even stronger variants of COVID that could kill millions more. Or force us to go back to quarantine even longer. If you are hell bent on risking your own life, fine, but your liberty ends where mine begins.

These kind of hyper libertarian arguments always just conveniently ignore everyone except the person making them. We allow smoking because it's your choice but not in public places because that hurts others. We have speed limits because your liberty to drive at 120 ends when it endangers other drivers. We have no restrictions on how much fast food you can eat because it does not impact anyone else.

Re:Vaccines and our return to office plans by benmw333 on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @02:02PM (#27987172)
Huh I didn't know the obese were no longer a heavy weight on the cost, availability and quality of healthcare. Good to know! Looking forward to my insurance premiums coming down once you pass that info to the insurance companies and socialized gov medicine!
Re:Vaccines and our return to office plans by zaptheimpaler on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @03:08PM (#27988255)
Wait so now you ARE in favor of restricting the liberty of those who eat fast food because it costs you???? Which is it liberty for all or just liberty as long it doesn't cost you a cent?
Re:Vaccines and our return to office plans by standardUser on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @01:37PM (#27986637)
"Preventable causes" are very different form "preventable illnesses". Avoiding a heart attack requires decades of actions and decisions. Avoiding polio requires one shot once.

In the developed world, not many people die from diseases that are preventable by vaccine. Well, until now.

Re:Vaccines and our return to office plans by throwawayboise on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @01:56PM (#27987041)
One argument that got thrown around a lot was that people in the hospital with COVID are taking medical resources away from others. You could make the same argument for people who choose to drink, smoke, remain obese, sedentary, have untreated diabetes or other chronic conditions that will eventually put them in the hospital needing a lot of very expensive care.
Re:Vaccines and our return to office plans by Imnimo on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @02:01PM (#27987164)
Those conditions don't overwhelm hospital capacity because they don't produce exponential growth of illness, so I don't think you could make the same argument.
Re:Vaccines and our return to office plans by spywaregorilla on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @01:47PM (#27986856)
I can name dozens of lifestyle choices you're forbidden from doing due to risk to yourself and others.
Re:Vaccines and our return to office plans by munk-a on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @01:56PM (#27987031)
Sadly my favorite past-time - driving tanks into office buildings - was outlawed by "big government". /s
Re:Vaccines and our return to office plans by s5300 on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @02:12PM (#27987371)
Letting a contagious pandemic rage in your country is not exactly good for national security reasons.