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Re:We should build for wildlife as well as people by cmh89 on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @12:52PM (#27985973)
The animals that traditionally hunt the deer aren't aggressive to humans. It's trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

Most apex predators are hunted out of existence to protect the marginal amounts of cattle they kill. See the great wolf slaughter happening in Montana currently. After they kill off all the wolves, the negative externalities of that action will become apparent, yet again, and the federal government will spend millions rehabbing the wolf populations until some populist conservative decides to decimate the population again. Rinse, repeat.

Re:We should build for wildlife as well as people by Aissen on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @01:14PM (#27986265)
I have often wondered if it wouldn't be cheaper for the government to pay for the occasional lost cattle instead of costly rehabilitation. Of course there would need to be safeguards in place to prevent abuse of the mechanism, and to prevent predators from getting used to easy preys.
Re:We should build for wildlife as well as people by spaetzleesser on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @01:37PM (#27986664)
Me too. Compared to all the other subsidies agriculture receives worldwide this would probably be pretty small.

One problem with cattle is that they are being held in one place, can’t escape which makes them easy and reliable prey . So once a predator has figured that out they will come back more often. I have read about people having good success with dogs that are trained to confront predators like mountain lions and bears so they won’t come back.

Re:We should build for wildlife as well as people by ianai on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @01:55PM (#27987013)
Or, and this is just a personal opinion, but the world could stand to lose some meat production. We could give them a stipend for moving away from ranching to protein production through plants or other goods. I know this is controversial, but meat does require orders of magnitude more water and resources and doesn’t seem reflective in the revenue realized.

Edit-but definitely start by paying them for whatever wolves eat.

Re:We should build for wildlife as well as people by robbedpeter on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @02:17PM (#27987440)
The wide ranging public pasture ranchers aren't where the biggest ethical problems are in meat production, and wolves aren't generally an issue with factory farming.

Let's pump the brakes on torture box meat before we start trying to solve something many people don't even consider a problem (I believe ranching and free range meat are an almost unmitigated good. )

Re:We should build for wildlife as well as people by WalterBright on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @01:23PM (#27986395)
I've proposed this many times, but the idea gets no traction. I don't really know why. I bet paying for a cow now and then would be even cheaper than paying government hunters to use helicopters, etc., to hunt the wolves.

It's an appropriate use of tax money.

Re:We should build for wildlife as well as people by Someone on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @01:57PM (#27987053)
https://www.mda.state.mn.us/business-dev-loans-grants/wolf-d...: “the 1977 Minnesota Legislature authorized the Minnesota Department of Agriculture (MDA) to reimburse livestock owners for losses caused by wolves”

Reading https://www.minnpost.com/environment/2020/02/heres-how-much-..., that gets around 100 claims per year, for a payout of about $100,000.

The EU has a similar program (https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-46153727)

Re:We should build for wildlife as well as people by WalterBright on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @02:09PM (#27987300)
Sounds like a good program.

In Washington State, the newspaper articles on it always present it as one of:

1. the state sends out the helicopters and gunmen

2. the rancher eats the cost of the dead cows

Re:We should build for wildlife as well as people by Someone on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @02:38PM (#27987799)
And yet, there’s https://wdfw.wa.gov/species-habitats/at-risk/species-recover....

I wouldn’t know whether that compensation is fair or how bureaucratic the procedure is.

Re:We should build for wildlife as well as people by at_a_remove on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @04:55PM (#27989584)
I wonder how vulnerable that is to the Cobra Effect.
Re:We should build for wildlife as well as people by WalterBright on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @11:35PM (#27992519)
Any and all government payment programs are vulnerable to that.