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Re:Orbiter Space Flight Simulator is now open source by bruce511 on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @10:23AM (#27984145)
Not to be picky, but the GPL would not stop someone "making major changes, and releasing it as proprietary software for consoles and make a lot of money in the process."

The only difference is that they would be obligated to release the source code. Given that the list of folk who can compile for consoles is very limited, this would not be an existential burden for them.

Indeed, even if they targeted a common development platform, like a PC or Mac, they would still be able to offer lots of value, and easily sell copies if there was a market for that. The vast majority of players would happily pay $49 for a compiled version of the game rather than go to the effort of compiling themselves.

In other words, the GPL and MIT licenses are orthogonal to making money - making money selling compiled GPL programs is not hard - assuming the program has some value to someone.

Re:Orbiter Space Flight Simulator is now open source by the_af on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @11:23AM (#27984901)
> the GPL would not stop someone "making major changes, and releasing it as proprietary software for consoles and make a lot of money in the process.""

It absolutely would stop anyone from releasing it as proprietary software. You cannot have GPL'ed proprietary software. You can sell GPL code, you can use it in proprietary platforms, but by definition the software itself cannot be proprietary. If it's GPL'ed, other people can sell it, modify it, distribute it, and use it for their own purposes.

Re:Orbiter Space Flight Simulator is now open source by bruce511 on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @11:43AM (#27985155)
>> You cannot have GPL'ed proprietary software.

I get that, hence me saying "they would be obligated to release the source code." My point is that has little or no effect on the actual sales of the program (since the parent post was primarily about money.)

There are reasons to prefer GPL over MIT, and other reasons to prefer MIT over GPL, but money isn't one of them...

Re:Orbiter Space Flight Simulator is now open source by bluecatswim on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @12:05PM (#27985422)
>(since the parent post was primarily about money)

I don't think so, it was about making money through selling it as proprietary software.

Re:Orbiter Space Flight Simulator is now open source by the_af on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @02:38PM (#27987813)
I understood the key word was "proprietary" in the comment you refer to, with the side effect of also "making lots of money". I might have misunderstood.
Re:Orbiter Space Flight Simulator is now open source by coptun on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @08:40PM (#27991495)
You absolutely cannot ship GPL code on a console. The NDA license you sign with MS, sony, nintendo for their APIs are fundamentally incompatible with the GPL and prohibit code release.
Re:Orbiter Space Flight Simulator is now open source by moftz on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @10:46AM (#27984418)
Plus, you can open source the code but leave the textures, models, maps, whatever else as proprietary. iD software already did this with the source code of Doom, you can read it but unless you want to reskin the whole game, it's entirely unplayable.
Re:Orbiter Space Flight Simulator is now open source by outworlder on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @02:27PM (#27987591)
> The only difference is that they would be obligated to release the source code.

Upon request, and it just can't be less accessible than the binaries. You can charge for the source - just not more than what the binaries cost.

Re:Orbiter Space Flight Simulator is now open source by goodpoint on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @01:13PM (#27986249)
> the GPL would not stop someone "making major changes, and releasing it as proprietary software ...

> The only difference is that they would be obligated to release the source code.

If they release the source code it's not proprietary software anymore - by definition - and GPL achieved its goal.

> the GPL and MIT licenses are orthogonal to making money

The GPL allows selling modified (FOSS) versions with extended contents e.g. artwork, music.

But it also allows the original author to do so without succumbing to the competition from companies that leverage their dominant market position.

With MIT freeloaders win.

Re:Orbiter Space Flight Simulator is now open source by baq on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @02:31PM (#27987661)
it doesn't matter that much in case of games, because the code is not very useful without assets. famously multiple quakes were released as GPL software and it didn't really cost id software anything in lost sales. art and levels were NOT released as GPL.

i'd say MIT license wouldn't impact the sales outcome at all.