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Re:Postgres Full-Text Search: A search engine in a database by quietbritishjim on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @12:25PM (#27974290)
Do you see any particular reasons to use or not use ZomboDB [1]? It claims to lets you use ElasticSearch from PG seamlessly e.g. it manages coherency of which results ought to be returned according to the current transaction. (I've never quite ended up needing to use ES but it's always seemed to me I'd be likely to need ZomboDB if I did.)

[1] https://github.com/zombodb/zombodb

Re:Postgres Full-Text Search: A search engine in a database by Conlectus on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @04:30PM (#27977201)
Though I have only a recreational interest in datastores, I would be pretty wary of a service that claims to strap a Consistant-Unavailable database (Postgres) to an Inconsistent-Available database (ElasticSearch) in a useful way.

Doing so would require ElasticSearch to reach consensus on every read/write, which would remove most of the point of a distributed cluster. Despite this, ZomboDB's documentation says "complex aggregate queries can be answered in parallel across your ElasticSearch cluster".

They also claim that transactions will abort if ElasticSearch runs into network trouble, but the ElasticSearch documentation notes that writes during network partitions don't wait for confirmation of success[1], so I'm not sure how they would be able to detect that.

In short: I'll wait for the Jepsen analysis.

[1] https://www.elastic.co/blog/tracking-in-sync-shard-copies#:~...

Re:Postgres Full-Text Search: A search engine in a database by zombodb on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @06:14PM (#27978334)
> Doing so would require ElasticSearch to reach consensus on every read/write

ZomboDB only requires that ES have a view of its index that's consistent with the active Postgres transaction snapshot. ZDB handles this by ensuring that the ES index is fully refreshed after writes.

This doesn't necessarily make ZDB great for high-update loads, but that's not ZDB's target usage.

> They also claim that transactions will abort if ElasticSearch runs into network trouble...

I had to search my own repo to see where I make this claim. I don't. I do note that network failures between PG & ES will cause the active Postgres xact to abort. On top of that, any error that ES is capable of reporting back to the client will cause the PG xact to abort -- ensuring consistency between the two.

Because the ES index is properly refreshed as it relates to the active Postgres transaction, all of ES' aggregate search functions are capable of providing proper MVCC-correct results, using the parallelism provided by the ES cluster.

I don't have the time to detail everything that ZDB does to project Postgres xact snapshots on top of ES, but the above two points are the easy ones to solve.

Re:Postgres Full-Text Search: A search engine in a database by mrslave on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @07:54PM (#27978979)
ZomboDB scratches an itch in a way I find fascinating, though I have yet to do more with it than shoehorn it into a prototype that was a bit square-peg-in-a-round-hole. It is in my catalogue of technologies I hope exploit someday. And I hope you're enjoying the work and making some $$$ too.

While I'm here might I ask, are you finding the hosted PostgreSQL services (AWS, Azure, etc.) growing or shrinking your market opportunities? Also, does it play nice with Citus?

Re:Postgres Full-Text Search: A search engine in a database by zombodb on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @09:07PM (#27979354)
I don’t pay any attention to what the cloud providers are doing. I have no control over them so….. eh.

ZDB is still alive and well but I have a real job now too.

Re:Postgres Full-Text Search: A search engine in a database by Conlectus on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @08:11PM (#27979072)
I suppose I must have misinterpreted this line

> As such, any sort of failure either with ZomboDB itself, between Postgres and Elasticsearch (network layer), or within Elasticsearch will cause the operating Postgres transaction to ABORT. [1]

In my defense, there is a fairly important distinction between "any error that ES is capable of reporting back" and "any sort of failure within Elasticsearch".

That said, I and trust that you're more familiar with consistency levels than me, so I'll bow out here.

[1] https://www.zombodb.com/documentation/things-to-know/

Re:Postgres Full-Text Search: A search engine in a database by zombodb on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @08:30PM (#27979184)
I can definitely reword that if it's confusing.
Re:Postgres Full-Text Search: A search engine in a database by mixmastamyk on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @12:58PM (#27974693)
You can do anything, anything at all, at https://zombo.com/

"The only limit, is yourself…"

Re:Postgres Full-Text Search: A search engine in a database by habibur on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @01:27PM (#27975067)
It's still around?
Re:Postgres Full-Text Search: A search engine in a database by mumblemumble on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @02:25PM (#27975747)
That seems like one for the philosophers. If you completely rewrite a Flash site in HTML5, but it looks the same and has the same URL, is it still the same site?
Re:Postgres Full-Text Search: A search engine in a database by da_chicken on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @04:16PM (#27977061)
So, YouTube?
Re:Postgres Full-Text Search: A search engine in a database by mixmastamyk on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @01:46PM (#27975324)
Klicken-Sie Link.
Re:Postgres Full-Text Search: A search engine in a database by FpUser on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @03:28PM (#27976502)
This one is my favorite for many many years. Good for relaxing.