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Re:For developers, Safari is crap and outdated by afavour on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @12:38AM (#27968678)
You’re talking as if it’s an either/or situation. For a company the size of Apple it definitely isn’t. They could fix long-standing bugs, implement web standards others have had for years and improve security, privacy and battery life. They just don’t.
Re:For developers, Safari is crap and outdated by halostatue on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @12:46AM (#27968736)
Not necessarily. There are “web standards” pushed by Google that are inherently inimical to increased privacy and cannot be implemented with sufficient security for a billion devices. I have to use Chrome and Chromium-based browsers for a lot of what I do, and the very first thing I do when I have to set it up or configure a new profile is _disable_ crap like:

- Web USB - Web MIDI - Web HID - Web Push - Web Motion Sensors - Site protocol handlers - Web Serial Ports - Web local file editing - Payment handlers - VR - Attention

That is, I make it so that sites aren’t even allowed to ASK me for those permissions. I know that a regular did a Web MIDI site recently that is sort of neat, but the protocol is essentially impossible to secure.

Each and every single one of those things provides additional security risk, fingerprinting opportunities, and privacy leaks BY DESIGN, and I can’t ever see turning them on.

Re:For developers, Safari is crap and outdated by afavour on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @01:10AM (#27968870)
I feel like Web USB and Web MIDI always come up in conversations like these and I don’t think I’ve ever met anyone that cares too deeply about either. Don’t get me wrong, I know there’s a market for them, but in the context of this conversation they just feel like diversions.

When I talk about Apple dedicating resources to Safari I mean that IndexedDB was broken for years. And was broken again just last month:

https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/16/apple_safari_indexedd...

This isn’t engineering that priotisises battery life. This is flat out neglect. Aren’t there unit tests for these kind of things pre-release?

I don’t want to be able to interface with a MIDI keyboard on my site, I just want to be able to store data reliably.

Re:For developers, Safari is crap and outdated by berkes on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @06:41AM (#27970854)
To pile on, several other APIs have little or no privacy issues, when done right.

Push notifications: no, obviously I don't want seo-loaden-adwords-stuffing.blog to send me push-notifications. But I do want m.twitter.com, weatheralerts.app or m.issuetracker.local to send me those. I don't want cdn.random-ad-network.com to read my location. But I do want weatheralerts and publictransport.planner to read them. bird.watcher is free to use my camera and littlealchemy.app is free to use localstorage.

Apple decides for me that I don't want this. Protecting users' privacy would mean research and innovation in how to make those choices. Anything from centralised whitelists to better UX for those permissions. Apple invests in none of these and instead denies it to all.

Re:For developers, Safari is crap and outdated by simondotau on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @03:29AM (#27969630)
I don't agree. Microsoft seriously tried with Edge, but the pace of change set by Chrome was too much for them. The only group even close to keeping pace with Google is Mozilla—and their market share numbers are starting to look concerning. Given the current trajectory, we can't place long term hopes in Mozilla.

If neither Microsoft nor Apple can keep up, and the Hacker News crowd thinks that's okay, we might as well give up on the notion of an open web and rename it the Chrome Platform.

Re:For developers, Safari is crap and outdated by jsnell on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @04:01AM (#27969822)
Apple chooses not to keep up. They obviously would have the resources and technical competence to do it if they wanted to.

But cui bono? Apple benefits directly from crippling the web since it protects their App Store monopoly, they happen to have the perfect means of crippling the web by ensuring there will be no browser competition on iOS, and it is the area where theyre shipping their worst software. It is hard to believe that it is a coincidence rather than a cynical corporate optimization game.

Re:For developers, Safari is crap and outdated by simondotau on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @06:09AM (#27970658)
> Apple chooses not to keep up.

Is that an opinion or do you have insider knowledge?

Re:For developers, Safari is crap and outdated by afavour on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @08:27AM (#27971585)
The level of profit Apple achieves every year is public, not insider knowledge. They could very obviously hire some more engineers to work on WebKit without bankrupting themselves.