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Re:Toyota is quietly pushing Congress to slow the shift to e... by klyrs on Monday July 26, 2021 @03:14PM (#27963956)
I think you're missing your parent's point here. Folks who have street parking don't have a way to charge their cars at home. Folks are currently doing ad-hoc solutions draping wires overhead or underfoot, which is seen as a nuisance. If every residential block had a single charger, it would be both hugely expensive for a municipality and inadequate to the point of conflict among neighbors sharing that block.
Re:Toyota is quietly pushing Congress to slow the shift to e... by natch on Monday July 26, 2021 @03:31PM (#27964218)
No I got the point but the point is misinformed.

We have many blocks (roughly 10x10 blocks, so 100 square blocks) sharing a single charger site now and for the last 3 years with only two plugs in a high EV density area and we don’t have any conflicts that I know of.

Most of these objections are just imagined problems coming from the minds of people without actual experience of owning an EV.

That being said, some EVs, once bought, are an easier ownership experience than others, but that’s getting off track.

Re:Toyota is quietly pushing Congress to slow the shift to e... by klyrs on Monday July 26, 2021 @04:08PM (#27964726)
> Most of these objections are just imagined problems coming from the minds of people without actual experience of owning an EV.

Hi, previous EV owner here, had to get rid of it because there was too much range anxiety thanks to the lack of chargers near my house and inability to use my house's power thanks to street parking. Saw multiple conflicts at congested chargers, mostly passive, some aggressive, because the infrastructure was insufficient to meet the demand.

Re:Toyota is quietly pushing Congress to slow the shift to e... by natch on Monday July 26, 2021 @05:46PM (#27965899)
Most EVs do it poorly though. This may be the fallacy of judging an entire product category based on a poor implementation. Very common amongst people who bought cheaper EVs. In any case both EVs, and charging options, are only getting better.
Re:Toyota is quietly pushing Congress to slow the shift to e... by klyrs on Monday July 26, 2021 @06:07PM (#27966092)
Most EVs do what poorly? Get charged from a 120V cable stretched across a sidewalk? Last I looked, it would take a several days to fill a Tesla's battery like that. That's not because somebody cheaped out on the Tesla.
Re:Toyota is quietly pushing Congress to slow the shift to e... by natch on Monday July 26, 2021 @07:22PM (#27966724)
Lots of things poorly. A lot of EVs don’t have internet so you can’t monitor the status, don’t have sentry mode so people can screw with the cable without being noticed, don’t have a mobile app that lets you (again) check on things or remotely control things like when your wife goes to collect the car but forgets the key and you can unlock it remotely, don’t give you a fast charging backup option that makes life easier, don’t have the range, don’t have Netflix and YouTube to pass the time for the odd times when you need to sit in the car for a while… the list goes on.
Re:Toyota is quietly pushing Congress to slow the shift to e... by klyrs on Monday July 26, 2021 @07:40PM (#27966888)
Okay, but we were talking about a lack of charging infrastructure, and your evidence that I'm misinformed and making up imaginary problems is... watching youtube and a forgetful wife trope? And BTW my combustion car lets me do almost all that crap, including turning on the AC over the internet. Whoop dee.

Fast charging sounds so great! It sounds like you've got two Teslas in a place where fast chargers are plentiful. That doesn't describe where I live. So, good for you, but please remember that people aren't necessarily idiots just because their life experience differs from yours.

But, hey. Credit where credit's due... at least you didn't say FSD.

Re:Toyota is quietly pushing Congress to slow the shift to e... by natch on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @02:51PM (#27976069)
My list of stuff is specifically things that help make life better for charging.
Re:Toyota is quietly pushing Congress to slow the shift to e... by klyrs on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @06:28PM (#27978435)
... if you can find a charger. All those bells and whistles are beyond useless if you can't. It's rather amazing that you continue to talk past this point.

When I had an EV, it frequently took several hours of combined searching and waiting to find a charge per week. That's not counting time to charge. Frequently, broken chargers would remain listed on apps for weeks, which made it a terrifying gambling game when range was low.

Re:Toyota is quietly pushing Congress to slow the shift to e... by natch on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @03:08PM (#27988250)
A combination of superchargers and plugshare helps a lot!

What you say is indeed right for some EVs and some locales, but give it time, it’s getting better.

Re:Toyota is quietly pushing Congress to slow the shift to e... by Scea91 on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @12:08PM (#27974084)
Are you sure you are in a high EV density area? Because I can't imagine how that can work out if more than a few % of cars in the area are EV.