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Re:Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Monday July 26, 2021 @11:31AM (#27960677)
> * "Linux doesn't support Photoshop / MS Excel / Altium / SolidWorks"

"You don't need those things anyway, Krita / LibreOffice Calc / etc are good enough. Alternatively, don't they run in Wine?"

> * "Microsoft's fanatical devotion to binary backwards-compatibility means I don't have to worry old software will break because I've got the wrong version of python installed, or my version of libreadline is too new."

"People shouldn't use old software because it is insecure. Fortunately there are armies of third party package maintainers dedicated to keeping software up to date for you and updating is easy and painless."

> * "I've got an nvidia graphics card, and nvidia drivers on Linux are a right mess"

"Don't use Nvidia then."

> * "Linux is all-too-often a second-class citizen, both hardware and software makers giving it less testing and support than they do Windows and Mac"

"That's why we have to push more for its adoption!"

Like I said, I've played this game a lot. This is exactly how it goes every damned time. No matter what you say, someone will come out of the woodwork to argue that your opinion is wrong, you chose the wrong hardware, or even, bizarrely, that normal people don't need that, like that has anything at all to do with why you need it.

Re:Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent by michaelt on Monday July 26, 2021 @11:40AM (#27960811)
> This is exactly how it goes every damned time.

Well, if you're going to post arguing against your own point every time... :)

Re:Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent by fsflover on Monday July 26, 2021 @01:24PM (#27962234)
> to argue that your opinion is wrong

But this is not arguing that the opinion is wrong. It just shows that it's not a universal true for everyone and that Linux could work for other people reading this.

Re:Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Monday July 26, 2021 @01:33PM (#27962360)
But the whole point of what I'm saying is that I personally use Windows for my own personal reasons. Why is it my job to provide a platform for some Linux Desktop evangelist to promote their favorite OS by arguing against my reasoning?
Re:Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent by fsflover on Monday July 26, 2021 @01:35PM (#27962394)
HN is not the place for dry posts like "I love Windows/Linux". Nobody cares that you run Windows for "your personal" reasons. People are actually interested in the reasons.
Re:Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Monday July 26, 2021 @02:07PM (#27962885)
This all started because someone posted "[...] there really isn't a good excuse to stay with Microsoft.", a point I sought to refute. That's it.

I would say it is at least as good as this post:

"You actually can directly listen to many scientists on social media."

Literally everything that followed was people being upset I didn't give them reasoning to attack. Well you know what? I'm sick of their bullshit arguments designed to promote their favorite OS by telling me all my personal decisions are bad just because I don't like the same things they do.

Re:Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent by fsflover on Monday July 26, 2021 @02:23PM (#27963152)
"I love Windows" does not refute anything. It's just tribalism.

"there really isn't a good excuse to stay with Microsoft" implies that Microsoft is bad, and on HN it's more or less accepted (mostly due to the user tracking and non-flexibility). Of course, there are still reasons to stay with Microsoft, so that argument is far from perfect too.

> I would say it is at least as good as this post: "You actually can directly listen to many scientists on social media."

My post suggests how to find the opinions of actual scientists. It's an actionable suggestion with reasoning unlike yours.

> by telling me all my personal decisions are bad

Nobody tells you that your personal decisions are bad. People are just discussing the reasons to choose one system of the other. Bystanders read that and decide for themselves. "I love Windows" arguments do not help anyone to decide.

Re:Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Monday July 26, 2021 @02:32PM (#27963300)
> "I love Windows" does not refute anything. It's just tribalism.

Let me sum up:

>> There's no good reason to use Windows

> If Windows fits how you use a computer better, then that is a good reason.

That's it, that's all I'm saying. I didn't even say Windows was good. I certainly didn't say I love Windows, because I really don't and you will find many posts by me to back that up.

> Bystanders read that and decide for themselves.

THIS thinking precisely illustrates why I didn't elaborate on why I use Windows. With evangelists it isn't about discussion, or understanding, it's about performing a fucking sales pitch and I'm goddamned sick of it.

Re:Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent by sbuk on Monday July 26, 2021 @11:41AM (#27960816)
"Single button mouse"...

You did exactly this.

Edit: changed to the relevant statement

Re:Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Monday July 26, 2021 @12:08PM (#27961171)
People really latched on to that "single button mouse" thing, completely ignoring the other 2 reasons I listed that I don't like MacOS. Not to mention that I wasn't telling people they should use Windows or criticising their reasoning for using MacOS.
Re:Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent by sbuk on Monday July 26, 2021 @01:57PM (#27962733)
To be fair to you, there is not a lot that can be done about the other two things that you don't like. Everyone knows that gaming on the Mac is limited, as is hardware choice. The reason that most people latch on the mouse comment is because it hasn't been true since the last century in all reality.
Re:Windows Defender blocks qBittorrent by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Monday July 26, 2021 @02:10PM (#27962944)
Which I'll accept is a problem of my last real attempt to use a Mac being well over a decade ago. I guess I just don't get why people keep harping on it, like correcting me on MacOS's 2-button mouse support is going to convert me or something.