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Re:The Assange case is collapsing but it remains a travesty ... by cartoonworld on Sunday July 25, 2021 @05:21PM (#27953032)
Given the thousands of US Mil installations all across the globe, foreign intervention and police actions, geopolitical intrigue, etc it is unfortunately looking more and more like a Pax Romana -- a troubling sign, depending on your perspective.
Re:The Assange case is collapsing but it remains a travesty ... by TaylorAlexander on Sunday July 25, 2021 @05:35PM (#27953122)
Yes even going back to Pearl Harbor, President Roosevelt rewrote his drafts of his speech to obscure the fact that the Philippines, a major site of the attack, was also a US colony.

"How to Hide an Empire", Daniel Immerwahr

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaKOOqXDnqA

Re:The Assange case is collapsing but it remains a travesty ... by hadlock on Sunday July 25, 2021 @08:06PM (#27954118)
I was really surprised to find out, as an american, standing with feet on the ground in Manila, near age 30, having grown up in the US and gone to public schools, that the Philippines had been a US Territory off and on, on par with Puerto Rico, for about 50 years starting around 1898. There's even a big obelisk in the center of Union Square in San Francisco commemorating this event, it turns out.

None of this was ever covered in public schools. I realize there's a lot of history to cover and kids can only absorb so much, but when people talk about "only focusing on europe and the middle east" it's good to have a couple of concrete examples. The Philippines actually has a larger english speaking population than the UK. Anyways, it always seemed that the Philippines got conveniently swept under the rug when discussing things like WW2 and American Imperialism.

Re:The Assange case is collapsing but it remains a travesty ... by TaylorAlexander on Sunday July 25, 2021 @08:23PM (#27954206)
Yes certainly. I recently started listening to the audiobook A Peoples History of the United States and there is a LOT of history we don't cover. Right now I am listening to a talk by Noam Chomsky about inequality and it's remarkable that the top % of the wealthy that have control over the country also do not go to public schools. It's as if we have a second school system for the subservient class.
Re:The Assange case is collapsing but it remains a travesty ... by TedDoesntTalk on Sunday July 25, 2021 @11:54PM (#27955457)
Public schools in some districts are terrible. If you can afford to send your children to private school, that’s an easier option than changing the entire public school system in your district (unless you’re Bill Gates).
Re:The Assange case is collapsing but it remains a travesty ... by aaron_m04 on Monday July 26, 2021 @12:43AM (#27955751)
Both you and the person you are replying to are correct. I don't know if you were trying to refute their claim.
Re:The Assange case is collapsing but it remains a travesty ... by alasdair_ on Monday July 26, 2021 @06:42AM (#27957868)
Of course it goes without saying that even the public schools in Medina, WA (home of Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos) are some of the best in the nation.
Re:The Assange case is collapsing but it remains a travesty ... by WalterBright on Monday July 26, 2021 @01:12AM (#27955932)
Gates sent his kids to local private schools.
Re:The Assange case is collapsing but it remains a travesty ... by TedDoesntTalk on Monday July 26, 2021 @03:06AM (#27956529)
And went on to try to change the education system?
Re:The Assange case is collapsing but it remains a travesty ... by colordrops on Sunday July 25, 2021 @11:23PM (#27955242)
Why do you think they are cancelling AP classes in San Francisco and California under the guise of social justice? It's to further weaken the underclass since the rich don't even go to public school.
Re:The Assange case is collapsing but it remains a travesty ... by raegis on Monday July 26, 2021 @12:45AM (#27955765)
> Why do you think they are cancelling AP classes in San Francisco and California under the guise of social justice?

Can you document this? I'm a southern California resident, and I keep hearing stuff like this from people online, but I know no local examples of this at all.

Re:The Assange case is collapsing but it remains a travesty ... by colordrops on Monday July 26, 2021 @01:07AM (#27955910)
Re:The Assange case is collapsing but it remains a travesty ... by TedDoesntTalk on Monday July 26, 2021 @03:44AM (#27956756)
I read the first link and some supporting links like “a pathway to equitable math instruction”:

https://equitablemath.org/

This is…. Reprehensible

Re:The Assange case is collapsing but it remains a travesty ... by roody15 on Monday July 26, 2021 @06:52AM (#27957928)
Quite dystopian.

Equal opportunity is a universal value that everyone can agree to strive for.

Equalized outcomes is a dystopian nightmare (equity).

The move to blur the lines between these two concepts is disturbing.

Re:The Assange case is collapsing but it remains a travesty ... by alasdair_ on Monday July 26, 2021 @06:44AM (#27957886)
In what way?
Re:The Assange case is collapsing but it remains a travesty ... by TedDoesntTalk on Monday July 26, 2021 @11:29AM (#27960649)
As sibling wrote very well:

“ Equal opportunity is a universal value that everyone can agree to strive for.

Equalized outcomes is a dystopian nightmare (equity).”

Re:The Assange case is collapsing but it remains a travesty ... by WalterBright on Monday July 26, 2021 @01:15AM (#27955951)
Re:The Assange case is collapsing but it remains a travesty ... by barbacoa on Monday July 26, 2021 @12:05AM (#27955533)
Having gone to high school in California, we never covered Mexican-american or Spanish-american wars, civil war focused almost exclusively on slavery. 90% of WW2 was about Japanese internment or how racist nuking Japan was. History of Communism was never mentioned for obvious reasons.
Re:The Assange case is collapsing but it remains a travesty ... by WalterBright on Monday July 26, 2021 @01:10AM (#27955922)
The public schools (at least in Washington State) are run by the teachers' union, which is the most powerful political entity in the state.
Re:The Assange case is collapsing but it remains a travesty ... by cartoonworld on Monday July 26, 2021 @02:44AM (#27956414)
The teacher's union does not dictate the curriculum.

Typically the state legislatures dictate what is in the curriculum broadly, sometimes extra specifically, and the administrators and teachers create their lessons to satisfy the legislation.

How does the teacher's union suppress subject matters in the history department?

Re:The Assange case is collapsing but it remains a travesty ... by WalterBright on Monday July 26, 2021 @05:50AM (#27957516)
> the state legislatures dictate

It's very hard to get elected in this state without a teachers' union endorsement.

Re:The Assange case is collapsing but it remains a travesty ... by cartoonworld on Monday July 26, 2021 @10:43AM (#27959983)
It doesn't follow that they suppress Filipino colonization, is there some example of teachers union demanding of legislators that they pass laws like that?

It's also hard to get elected without people voting for you, or funding for political campaigns.

Re:The Assange case is collapsing but it remains a travesty ... by jessaustin on Sunday July 25, 2021 @11:33PM (#27955313)
The Army ran out of Native Americans to massacre, so they arranged another indigenous group to terrorize for the next several decades. (It really was the same racist officers doing the same racist shit.) Some Filipinos had thought USA military would join them in overthrowing Spanish tyranny, but they soon discovered the actual intent was to replace Spain. Decent Americans like Mark Twain were horrified, but the war media was full of lies about subhuman savages who needed American government so most Americans had no idea. Plus ça change...
Re:The Assange case is collapsing but it remains a travesty ... by bryanrasmussen on Monday July 26, 2021 @01:11AM (#27955925)
In this context should point to the War Prayer https://warprayer.org/ which Twain probably wrote in response to the Spanish-American war.
Re:The Assange case is collapsing but it remains a travesty ... by spfzero on Monday July 26, 2021 @12:53AM (#27955818)
Hmm, don’t know what school you went to, but in my American public school they certainly covered the Spanish-American war, and the consequent status of the Philippines. Spanish colony, turned over to the U.S., taken over by Japan, independant after WWII ended.
Re:The Assange case is collapsing but it remains a travesty ... by pomian on Monday July 26, 2021 @03:08AM (#27956552)
An excellent source for USA/Philippine history, and other history is Dan Carlin's Hardcore History podcasts. This one in particular for that topic: https://www.dancarlin.com/product/hardcore-history-49-the-am...

But all his podcasts are phenomenal

Re:The Assange case is collapsing but it remains a travesty ... by cartoonworld on Sunday July 25, 2021 @05:48PM (#27953231)
Interesting, thanks.

I just read this post on Popehat[0] recounting an event while Ken White was working for an LA federal judge back in the day. He was brought to a ceremony conducted by Judge Ronald S.W. Lew where numerous, VERY elderly Filipino WW2 veterans were granted US Citizenship. This was promised to them in addition to veteran's benefits by FDR in exchange for recruitment into the war effort, and after the war quietly swept under the rug by the congress.

[0] - https://www.popehat.com/2020/07/04/the-fourth-of-july-rerun/

Re:The Assange case is collapsing but it remains a travesty ... by indymike on Sunday July 25, 2021 @06:22PM (#27953490)
> Given the thousands of US Mil installations all across the globe

There are only 750-800 US military installations around the world. Most of these are small. This number has been reduced by about 1000 since the peak in the 1980s (cold war era). The majority of large installations are in the US.

Re:The Assange case is collapsing but it remains a travesty ... by mrow84 on Sunday July 25, 2021 @07:39PM (#27953971)
This Wikipedia article claims “ there are "around" 5,000 bases total, with "around" 600 of them overseas”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_military...
Re:The Assange case is collapsing but it remains a travesty ... by indymike on Sunday July 25, 2021 @08:07PM (#27954129)
>This Wikipedia article claims “ there are "around" 5,000 bases total

There are 326 bases in the US. https://militarybase.net/u-s-military-bases/ (see the CSV list at the bottom). The US has a total of 50 states and 6 protectorates (Guam, Puerto Rico, etc...). There's no where near 80 bases per state unless you count National Guard Armories (parking lots with a gym in most cases) and recruiting offices. The US has a big military, yes, but not that big.

Re:The Assange case is collapsing but it remains a travesty ... by cartoonworld on Sunday July 25, 2021 @10:08PM (#27954791)
I did not say military bases, I said installations, which I understand to mean permanent, semi-permanent, or maintained presences of materiel or infrastructure supporting military or reconnaissance.

In retrospect, you are a bit right here. Pardon the bike shedding, but maybe that is not a precise definition due to the vagaries of what "military", "base" and "installation" means. Does room 641a count? I'm not sure. The US Military has its own very special definition, but the general public would know its own.

Under this expanded rubric, National Guard, Coast Guard and Reservist armories would definitely count, CIA black sites[0] would certainly qualify as well (and they are not in your list to be sure), in addition to listening posts, air fields, possibly also foreign naval supply points if they meet some of those continually manned criteria (and hell, why not? Its in the spirit of this thing, we'll just consider them 3/5ths an installation for the purposes of statistics), some forward operating bases if they are continually manned and resupplied for, lets just hand-wave 11 months. Also, private contractors are definitely in this if they have their own separate facilities and especially if they conduct military operations such as "security forces" in Iraq. Now that I'm thinking about it, air craft carriers should be included as well if they are on deployment ... I know, I know, thats pretty rare.

But you are right if you point out that this isn't a precise measure, that it changes continually, and that I don't actually know how many there are--it could easily be tens of thousands! Just scale the definition until it feels most comfortable for you.

That is the real point, anyhow.

[0] - https://prisonphotography.org/2010/03/30/extraordinary-rendi...

Re:The Assange case is collapsing but it remains a travesty ... by colordrops on Sunday July 25, 2021 @11:24PM (#27955251)
It's amazing to me that you prefaced "750-800" with "only".
Re:The Assange case is collapsing but it remains a travesty ... by indymike on Monday July 26, 2021 @08:44AM (#27958679)
Again, that is because the op used thousands.
Re:The Assange case is collapsing but it remains a travesty ... by mixedCase on Sunday July 25, 2021 @06:27PM (#27953533)
"only" is an interesting choice of word. Which other countries have comparably sized deployments (with numbers)?
Re:The Assange case is collapsing but it remains a travesty ... by indymike on Sunday July 25, 2021 @06:48PM (#27953669)
>Which other countries have comparably sized deployments (with numbers)

"only" was used because the op said "thousands".

Re:The Assange case is collapsing but it remains a travesty ... by sudosysgen on Sunday July 25, 2021 @07:33PM (#27953942)
Well, that we know of. It's not that unlikely that there are a few hundred more that we don't know about.
Re:The Assange case is collapsing but it remains a travesty ... by NickNameNick on Sunday July 25, 2021 @08:44PM (#27954300)
We know - they're on strava