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Re:Finland provides housing and counseling to the homeless (... by noobermin on Sunday July 25, 2021 @12:30PM (#27950466)
May be for some of the houseless but many don't have mental disorders or drug addictions, many people are just down on their luck. Also, pretty sure Finland has people with those issues as well.
Re:Finland provides housing and counseling to the homeless (... by hutzlibu on Sunday July 25, 2021 @01:09PM (#27950920)
"but many don't have mental disorders or drug addictions, many people are just down on their luck"

Be out of luck for a while and chances are high, that you develope mental disorders as well as drug addictions.

Re:Finland provides housing and counseling to the homeless (... by azinman2 on Sunday July 25, 2021 @01:11PM (#27950933)
Do you live in SF? It’s quite apparent that a huge percentage of the homeless, if not the majority, have a mental disorder, drug addiction, or both.
Re:Finland provides housing and counseling to the homeless (... by seanmcdirmid on Sunday July 25, 2021 @01:15PM (#27950973)
That’s just for the visible chronic homeless. There are plenty of homeless people living under the radar in their cars and such that really are just down in their luck, and don’t get noticed them because they aren’t chronic cases.
Re:Finland provides housing and counseling to the homeless (... by azinman2 on Sunday July 25, 2021 @04:21PM (#27952579)
Sure. But they do get captured here: https://hsh.sfgov.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/ExecutiveSu...

69% are reporting being disabled in some way that’s preventing them from being housed (read: addiction, mental illness, health issues resulting from these, etc). 42% are self reporting current addiction, 39% have self reported current psychiatric/emotional disorder of some kind, and 37% with PTSD (apparently getting separately reported from the prior stat). These numbers are likely higher in reality.

Of course there are some that lost their job, don’t make enough, etc. That’s the population that you could expect to make a come back with support. But a very significant portion are beyond tractable. Drive thru the tenderloin and tell me what you see is rehabilitatable.

Seems to me the easier story would be preventing homelessness in the first place, which would involve making our society kinder for all, not just the homeless. It got significantly worse after Regan defunded the mental health wards. Many progressives support this cause of holding people against their will — I’m not sure being homeless and mentally ill is more humane. At some point it’s easier to centralize long term care than to ad hoc beds and social services.

Re:Finland provides housing and counseling to the homeless (... by seanmcdirmid on Sunday July 25, 2021 @12:33PM (#27950493)
That isn’t a given. It could be that the standard strong social safety net is enough to keep people without substance abuse or mental illness problems out of homelessness. It would be interesting to do an honest accounting, at any rate.
Re:Finland provides housing and counseling to the homeless (... by noobermin on Sunday July 25, 2021 @12:59PM (#27950795)
Are you saying talking about the social safety net in Finland or the US? I don't understand the argument you're making, if anything the weakness of the social safety net in the US bolsters my argument that a larger fraction of homeless people in the US are just down on their luck relative to the fraction of homeless people in Finland.

EDIT: In order to avoid deepening the thread, may you restate your point so that I can understand what you mean?

Re:Finland provides housing and counseling to the homeless (... by seanmcdirmid on Sunday July 25, 2021 @01:02PM (#27950830)
Finland.

Also I’m not sure how to evaluate “a large fraction of the homeless are just down in their luck.” Those are the easy cases that are more likely to get effective help already, even in more dysfunctional American cities. And if they aren’t, we have a much better chance of doing a better job there, since their problems are much easier to solve than those of the more chronic homeless.

In fact, our first priority should be to prevent “down in their luck” homeless cases from becoming chronic “substance abuse/mental illness” homeless cases.