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Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by sgentle on Friday July 22, 2011 @03:58PM (#2794956)
I think there's an important lesson here that you can take home right now: If your primary email is an @gmail.com address, you have your head firmly in the lion's mouth.

You can backup your data. You can have fallback tools and services. You cannot backup your identity. And if that identity is controlled by Google, you are tying your online existence for the duration to the foibles of a publically traded company with a shitty track record of customer support.

Tell me with a straight face that you know Google won't mess you around like this - not just now, but for the next decade. Hell, tell me you know your account won't be algorithmically disabled tomorrow. If your last name isn't Gundotra, I don't think you can. Why, then, are you taking that risk when the cost is so small?

.com domains retail for about $10/year, Google Apps Free Edition is here: http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/group/index.html - you can keep the services you like while retaining control of your email address.

Disclaimer: I have an @gmail.com address that I'm suddenly realising is a sword over my head.

Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by nostromo on Friday July 22, 2011 @04:13PM (#2795005)
Another thing to think about is OAuth. If you if you lose an account at Google or Facebook that you've used to sign into another site, you lose them too.
Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by yaix on Friday July 22, 2011 @05:10PM (#2795205)
Good thought.

Will not using G OAuth and probably delete all photos from my Picasa, now that they were automatically moved over to G+.

You never know what the automatic image scanner may think it has found in those photos that violates some G+ rules. I don't want to lose all my data in my G account, only because an automated scanner thinks my friend's face was a bare female breast.

Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by mrcharles on Friday July 22, 2011 @04:09PM (#2794988)
The problem with having your own domain for email is the communication factor. When I tell someone my email is [email protected], there's no miscommunication. Worst case I have to spell out my last name, but generally if someone's asking for email they already have my last name.

If you buy a domain, nowadays, you have few options with respect to getting an email that sounds legit, mature, and isn't long and/or uses easily misspelled words.

I have a bunch of domains, but none of them are particularly appropriate for an email address I would verbally communicate to someone. bluh.org is my main domain, but when you say 'bluh' out loud to someone, you inevitably have to spell it. I once owned thereisnocharles.com, which was a goofy thing and I used that as my main email address before gmail came along. But it's long, and it doesn't sound professional at all.

I guess we could all just use something like gmail as a simple forwarder service to our owned email addresses, but even then, it's not a foolproof solution.

Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by mike-cardwell on Friday July 22, 2011 @04:15PM (#2795012)
As someone who has my own domain, I find it very rare that I actually have to tell someone my email address out loud using my voice. 99% of the time they get it from an online profile, or my website, or by receiving an email from me, or by me filling in a form, online or physical, or a business card, or by me writing it down.

I don't see this as a valid issue to deter anyone from getting their own domain.

Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by darklajid on Friday July 22, 2011 @05:47PM (#2795296)
What about the .name TLD?

I own (for now.. I'm not sure if that can be disputed if more people with my rather rare last name apply) lastname.name

So - you can reach me, if I finally finish my migration and stop being a lazy bastard, at [email protected] - which is rather good imo.

Sure, I've got other legacy addresses, but this could be a viable alternative to a gmail _identity_.

Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by a_m0d on Saturday July 23, 2011 @11:57AM (#2797103)
There is also the .me TLD - not sure if it has the same intentions as .name, but it is less used so more widely available. I own my lastname.me domain, and so I can (if I ever set it up properly) send mail to [email protected], which is slightly shorter but works just as well.
Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by akronim on Saturday July 23, 2011 @01:32AM (#2796258)
Actually the domain you own is almost certainly firstname.lastname.name, but the email is setup so [email protected] works. It's particular to the .name TLD.
Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by darklajid on Saturday July 23, 2011 @06:39AM (#2796668)
No, I certainly own (and the convention you talk about is why I'm not sure if it holds up forever) for now the domain mylastname.name.

I found a registrar that sold this domain to me, anything you throw at it ends up on one of my machines.

Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by pwaring on Saturday July 23, 2011 @05:45AM (#2796598)
I have a short domain (xk7.net), doesn't cause any problems over the phone (occasionally people comment on the fact that I have my own domain/mail) and doesn't sound immature.

Although I was once told 'sorry, you must use a Hotmail, Yahoo! or Gmail address'...

Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by mikle on Friday July 22, 2011 @04:10PM (#2794995)
[email protected]

Solves the problem you raised.

Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by mrcharles on Friday July 22, 2011 @04:17PM (#2795021)
Except it's an impossible solution for a lot of people, including myself. My name as a domain name is taken, and was taken long ago.
Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by masklinn on Friday July 22, 2011 @04:29PM (#2795063)
On all available tlds? Really?
Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by awj on Friday July 22, 2011 @04:52PM (#2795144)
For a good portion of my people (in my experience, at least 50%) any domain but .com might as well not exist. With them, ".com" is four characters that must ritually be applied to all domains to appease the computer gods.
Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by almightygod on Friday July 22, 2011 @04:39PM (#2795096)
well having [email protected] would require you to explain "that's a .ly not .com" and therefore not solve this particular problem
Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by jrockway on Friday July 22, 2011 @06:38PM (#2795430)
I have never had any trouble with "[email protected]". People type the characters in your email address verbatim. They do not randomly add stuff.
Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by mrcharles on Friday July 22, 2011 @04:55PM (#2795162)
Ditto. .com is safe to tell people, anything else can lead to confusion.
Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by libria on Friday July 22, 2011 @07:20PM (#2795542)
Hey, where're the salary poll results?
Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by josefresco on Friday July 22, 2011 @04:49PM (#2795136)
Doesn't pass the verbal test. Is that "I" or is that "eye" or is it "aye"?
Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by yaix on Friday July 22, 2011 @05:02PM (#2795185)
Right. I use me@...
Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by pbhjpbhj on Saturday July 23, 2011 @03:26PM (#2797586)
Is that me or mee (noodles) or mi (musical note, do-ray-mi...)?

;0)

Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by X-Istence on Friday July 22, 2011 @05:33PM (#2795258)
firstname@lastname.[com|net|org].

Mine is [email protected] for example.

Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by DrJ on Friday July 22, 2011 @06:09PM (#2795347)
[email protected]

you want to see how bad it turn when you do chin, li, etc? soon we will run out of website names!

Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by mrcharles on Friday July 22, 2011 @04:09PM (#2794991)
Also, no, it's not a matrix reference, it's a ghostbusters reference.
Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by hackermom on Saturday July 23, 2011 @05:55AM (#2796615)
This is only true depending on how seasoned a netizen someone is. True story: I have a friend of mine whom I once verbally communicated a (now long-gone) gmail address to, with Swedish pronounciation. The result was him smirking a bit, and some time later asking me if I got the pictures he sent to my "gaymail.com address". This could just as well have ended up being "geemail.com" or "yeemail.com" had I gone with English pronounciation. He just didn't know what google or gmail was. He doesn't use the net in the same ways we do.

But let's be realistic... it's not like the world of internet users suffered from a supposed problem with miscommunicated email addresses before "geemail.com" came around. We managed just fine.

Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by sjs on Friday July 22, 2011 @09:51PM (#2795871)
.com is a ghetto, move on.
Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by spiffytech on Friday July 22, 2011 @11:05PM (#2796001)
Picking another TLD is tempting, but I find it confuses people, even tech-savvy people. Maybe not if you have something kinda common like a .tv, but take what I did:

My username, across the Internet, is spiffytech. I registered http://spiffyte.ch. It's fun and a little clever, but since most people haven't heard of .ch domains I'm constantly saying "w-w-w dot spiffy t-e dot c-h. No, not .com. No, put the dot between the 'e' and the 'c'. Spiffytech. Like my username.". Even to tech-savvy friends.

Sure, maybe that's an artifact of my particular domain, but I'd much prefer if I could get the .com and just tell people spiffytech.com and avoid the confusion.

Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by tesseract on Friday July 22, 2011 @04:05PM (#2794977)
I have Google Apps Free for my personal domain and I am considering moving to the paid one, just to be able to phone them if anything ever goes wrong. (The Android remote-wipe feature that comes with it might be worthwhile too, just-in-case.)

I also primarily use an IMAP client which saves a local copy of all my email, so although the "identity" issues (and non-email data) bother me a bit, I do have at all times essentially a backup of all my mail.

Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by econgeeker on Saturday July 23, 2011 @12:55AM (#2796198)
This, and the impossibility of resolving the issue, is why I don't trust google. I had my own experience with google unfairly preventing me from using its service-- one where I was trying to give them money-- and I realized they really don't have any customer support.

This is why I trust Apple. They might be slow, or silent, but they've never left me hanging (and I've been a customer of theres for decades before google existed.)

That said, my iCloud account is where media and non-essential information will get stored. If Apple disappears it one day, at most I'll have lost music and movies. But everything real lives somewhere I can control and backup.

I use GMAIL, but with POP access, and I store my email locally.

However, it is time to get off of gmail and move anyway. It is just such a PITA to manage your own email servers....but I expect a company that does it for a living will provide better support than a company where I'm the product rather than the customer.

Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by chopsueyar on Friday July 22, 2011 @07:25PM (#2795558)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damocles

I thought you looked familiar.

Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by mikle on Friday July 22, 2011 @04:04PM (#2794974)
This made me concerned. I have my own domain which indeed uses Google Apps, but I just forward all my mails from there to my @gmail.com account. This needs to switch.
Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by 1880 on Friday July 22, 2011 @05:21PM (#2795236)
But you own your domain. In your case, if Google disabled your Gmail or Apps accounts, it'd be just a minor annoyance, because your e-mail address would still work after a DNS change.

Google owning your data is not the problem here, while you can backup it. The real problem is them owning your identity.

Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by shandrew on Sunday July 24, 2011 @04:31AM (#2798983)
Do you really <i>own</i> your domain? You're likely dependent on a registrar where you're probably a $10/year (i.e. nearly nothing) paying customer.

What if your domain registrar simply fails and loses your records?

The US government has been seizing domains associated with sites accused of violating laws; are you with a registrar who will fight that?

I'm not saying that you shouldn't own the domain for your email address--it's simply that you should realize that it solves one problem but creates others.

Once you look at things at detail, almost everything in your life is dependent on trust. Knowing how much to trust different aspects and how to evaluate risks is key.

Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by maqr on Friday July 22, 2011 @04:06PM (#2794981)
I'm trying to avoid doing precisely that, but I want into Google+... I wish they would just add support for Apps domains.
Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by naner on Saturday July 23, 2011 @02:20AM (#2796341)
This is probably a little hyperbolic. I have a gmail address and I don't expect it to disappear. If it does, however, I will still survive (after going through some temporary pain). I feel like you're telling me I shouldn't use a credit card because someone could steal my identity. Or that I shouldn't use closed-source software because my "freedom" is in jeopardy.
Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by endgame on Saturday July 23, 2011 @09:01AM (#2796842)
I'd recommend you use Free software because when it sucks (and all software sucks), you have a chance of actually fixing it.
Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by tambourine_man on Friday July 22, 2011 @05:18PM (#2795230)
I hope I'm wrong, cause I really love email, but I don't think many people will care about it in 10 years. Most don't care much about it anymore today.

How can I reach you? You don't have Facebook!

Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by yuvadam on Friday July 22, 2011 @04:03PM (#2794967)
How does this solve said issue? Using Google Apps means the big G still controls all your data.
Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by mike-cardwell on Friday July 22, 2011 @04:11PM (#2794996)
He was talking about identity, not data. If google closes your account and you control your identity, you can take it elsewhere. If google controls both your identity and your data and then closes your account, you're screwed.
Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by mikle on Friday July 22, 2011 @04:09PM (#2794989)
Data you can download, identity is hard to change.

For example: I can download all my mail from gmail (using POP or IMAP) regularly. If I lose the account I still have my mails. I can't change the mail amazon (or whatever other site) knows about unless I have access to my gmail account (I realize you can probably talk to their customer support but it doesn't scale well at all. I have about 120 different logins using my @gmail.com address...).

Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by benmccann on Friday July 22, 2011 @04:26PM (#2795053)
He's suggesting that if your account is shut down for some reason then your email address still works.
Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by lemming on Friday July 22, 2011 @04:15PM (#2795014)
If you download all your mail for backup purposes using, say, POP3 then if Google does nuke your account you can switch to hosting yourself and maintain your email address.
Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by nhebb on Friday July 22, 2011 @11:11PM (#2796012)
This is what I do, but if Google ever fails me I'd probably switch to fastmail.fm or similar service instead of setting up a server. Unless you're interested in the ins and outs of setting up and maintaining an email server, it's something I'd outsource on a cost/benefit basis.
Re:Google Deletes Last 7 Years Of User's Digital Life, Shrugs by dlikhten on Friday July 22, 2011 @04:41PM (#2795106)
Actually that works quite well. If your photo accounts, your whatever accounts etc are all tied to a non-google login, then it won't matter that your google account is gone.

THE PROBLEM is that many places only accept google/facebook if not facebook alone. Although I have no freaken' idea why, it took a minute after adding google login to my site to add facebook, openid, etc..