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Re:Amazon Is Creating Company Towns Across the United States by salawat on Sunday July 25, 2021 @10:14AM (#27949303)
>He said a lot of them tried to hire people for less than full time to avoid having to provide benefits.

There needs to be naming and shaming of those that perpetuate this practice. I know retailers (Tractor Supply) for cashiers.

If you're doing warehouse work, you are part of the logistics backbone, you deserve not to have your chain jerked around. Arguably, no one should be getting their chain jerked around, but I'll call it a win to purge this pathological HR hacking from another business layer.

Re:Amazon Is Creating Company Towns Across the United States by AnthonyMouse on Sunday July 25, 2021 @11:19AM (#27949759)
What causes this is trying to mandate "benefits" by law.

Suppose the benefits cost the company the equivalent of $3/hour. Then at the same cost they can either offer a job that pays $15/hour without benefits or a job that pays $12/hour with benefits. They're not idiots; they're going to offer the one that best allows them hire and retain workers.

That it happens to be the one with the higher pay should be telling us something -- that some workers value the money over the benefits.

Which makes a lot of sense. Many people have a family health plan from their spouse's job. They may value the flexibility of choosing when to take unpaid time off instead of working for $12/hour with paid time off, which is a monetary loss equivalent to more than 10 weeks of unpaid time off when working at $15/hour instead. They simply get less from the benefits than they get from being paid the money it costs the employer to provide them.

Stop requiring employers to provide "benefits" that many employees don't want and people wouldn't have to voluntarily work around it like this, at the cost of being unable to work 40 hours a week even if you want to.

Re:Amazon Is Creating Company Towns Across the United States by jsjsbdkj on Sunday July 25, 2021 @11:54AM (#27950077)
Benefits only work if there's a large population where the risks can be averaged out. If you let people pick and choose whether they want insurance, people with known health problems will overwhelmingly want insurance, and the price will be driven up. Really this shouldn't be dealt with at the employer level but by the government - there's a net public good to everyone having guaranteed healthcare, because preventative care avoids larger emergency expenses and allows for more efficient allocation of resources. But instead you get this hyper-individualism where people want to opt into the social contract piecemeal at the time it benefits them, and opt out when it doesn't.
Re:Amazon Is Creating Company Towns Across the United States by josephcsible on Sunday July 25, 2021 @12:00PM (#27950131)
I 100% agree that adverse selection is a problem, but the government's rule doesn't really fix it. All that happened is that people with known health problems will look harder for full-time jobs, and healthier people will take the part-time jobs that pay slightly more per hour.
Re:Amazon Is Creating Company Towns Across the United States by katbyte on Sunday July 25, 2021 @12:38PM (#27950557)
? If healthcare/benefits is provided by the government from taxes outside of your job then it doesn’t matter if you have a full/part time job?
Re:Amazon Is Creating Company Towns Across the United States by josephcsible on Sunday July 25, 2021 @03:13PM (#27952016)
> If healthcare/benefits is provided by the government from taxes outside of your job

But that's not the case today in the US. My point is that the government mandating that full-time jobs provide benefits (which is the case today in the US) doesn't fix the adverse selection problem. All it does is lead to a bunch of jobs right under the cutoff for full-time.

Re:Amazon Is Creating Company Towns Across the United States by salawat on Sunday July 25, 2021 @01:37PM (#27951192)
The issue there is that that if you divest the employer from the consequences of working conditions, the individual is left carrying the bag.

If as an employer you just can't get a break on the rates it costs to insure you, that's a really strong signal you have something wrong. Doing it through the government in theory gives people freedom of moving from employer to employer, but I guarantee you there is some juju that needs characterization in wresting some of the incentive shaping powers of insurers and vesting them in Government.

Re:Amazon Is Creating Company Towns Across the United States by h2odragon on Sunday July 25, 2021 @10:49AM (#27949540)
> There needs to be naming and shaming

It's probably easier to name and promote the few places that don't do the "39.5hr week".

Re:Amazon Is Creating Company Towns Across the United States by leesalminen on Sunday July 25, 2021 @11:30AM (#27949860)
I thought the cutoff was 29.5 hours, otherwise they would have to offer health insurance due to the Affordable Care Act. I haven’t worked those types of jobs in 10+ years but that’s how it was back then at least.
Re:Amazon Is Creating Company Towns Across the United States by h2odragon on Sunday July 25, 2021 @11:41AM (#27949971)
My wife worked at lowes for years, and they were serious about the ".5", even. they reported to the IRS that they'd sell us health insurance for $90/mo for a family plan; but then all they could actually sell to us was a $400/mo each plan; and we never did figure out that one... before her health deteriorated to the point she had to quit that job.
Re:Amazon Is Creating Company Towns Across the United States by dragonwriter on Sunday July 25, 2021 @11:03AM (#27949662)
> There needs to be naming and shaming of those that perpetuate this practice.

Government, by tieing things that should be universal to mandates to employers who employ a person for a certain number of hours in a week. Which, in addition to promoting this kind of behavior as a cost/utility optimization, encourages a feudal lord-servant relationship between employers and employees rather than a capitalist market-exchange relationship, and necessarily (even ignoring the effect of the optimization incentives) assures that what should be universal is instead limited to a narrower fully-employed class.

If the government provides the benefit universally and taxes to cover the costs, the perverse incentives to limit employment and further narrow access to the intended general benefit is eliminated.

Naming and shaming the people who follow the incentives government creates is pointless; name and shame the government for setting up the broken system of incentives. Any other target is just a perpetual game of whack-a-mole.

Re:Amazon Is Creating Company Towns Across the United States by dehrmann on Sunday July 25, 2021 @02:04PM (#27951410)
You're complaining that companies don't want to do the job of government.