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Re:MicroLEDs Moving from Lab to Fab by Synaesthesia on Saturday July 24, 2021 @07:12AM (#27939879)
Are they really not solved? Because there are a lot of high end devices with OLED displays for a while now, eg Samsung Galaxy, iPhone X series and Huawei, and their displays haven't degraded over say 5 years from what I can tell.
Re:MicroLEDs Moving from Lab to Fab by xoa on Saturday July 24, 2021 @08:12AM (#27940229)
>eg Samsung Galaxy, iPhone X series and Huawei, and their displays haven't degraded over say 5 years from what I can tell.

Of those I've only had the iPhone X and now iPhone 12 (and will note that the iPhone X only launched in November 2017, just 3.5 years ago, and I'll never know how it lasts to 5 years anyway because my upgrade cycle remains faster than 5 years for now). But on the iPhone side of things at last, there are a host of mitigation measures both inherent to iOS and new since the LCD. The iPhone X series for example is quite aggressive by default about powering off the display. They do a decent job of it thanks to the Face ID sensors letting them have some form of attention monitoring coupled with fairly transparent quick wakeup/unlock, but it's still noticeable even now. iOS in general also has very, very little fixed chrome. Not nothing, but not much. Most of the display, as with TVs, is constantly shifting content. Even browsing the web on a tiny screen involves lots of scrolling and movement.

None of this stuff makes much if any sense in typical desktop/notebook computing. There are a lot more static UI elements present all the time, and that's a good thing with high precision mouse pointers and large screens. We count on screens to passively display information constantly, even if we're not actively interacting with them right that second. We also tend to use computers for a much longer time. I don't have a 4 year old phone. I do have a 10 year old system still in a final few months of service, and a number of 6-7 year old systems that may last longer. There are LCD displays at work even older than that still doing well.

Maybe OLED will evolve far enough to handle that acceptably as well, but I don't think you can extrapolate from phones. It's not like the industry hasn't been able to make big high resolution OLED displays for a while now. The curious dearth of them in notebooks/AIOs/standalone PC monitors points at something.

Re:MicroLEDs Moving from Lab to Fab by philsnow on Saturday July 24, 2021 @12:19PM (#27942169)
My iPhone X has burn-in from Google maps navigation. The killer combination seems to have been many hours on a mount in the sunlight behind my windshield, running a moderately intensive app (generating a fair amount of heat) that always has a few static elements (the car arrow, a few circular buttons) and keeping the screen on 100% of the time.

It's not particularly noticeable unless you're looking at an all-white web page or email or something, though. I switched to Apple maps navigation for a while because it avoids nearly all the above factors (fewer static elements, dark theme by default, actually turns the screen off during long stretches of "keep going straight for 40 miles") but eventually went back because I'm so used to the Google maps UX (and I stopped driving such long distances regularly).

Re:MicroLEDs Moving from Lab to Fab by MilaM on Saturday July 24, 2021 @12:26PM (#27942235)
iPhones with OLED displays do have burn in. Interestingly some part inside the screen assembly seems to try to compensate for the burn in somehow. Check out this repair video on Youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46KdDH5tSic

When you change the screen on an iPhone without pairing it correctly, the new screen will have the same burn in patterns as the old one.

Re:MicroLEDs Moving from Lab to Fab by MikusR on Saturday July 24, 2021 @07:30AM (#27939976)
All of them have burnin it's inevitable.
Re:MicroLEDs Moving from Lab to Fab by hexa22 on Saturday July 24, 2021 @09:03AM (#27940570)
Just like how all SSDs will fail after enough writes. A problem that I will never stress over.

I have had many oled devices for many years and I have never once seen noticeable burn in like I have never had an ssd die.

I’m not denying it exists. But the scale of the problem and the time it takes to occur make it a non issue for most use cases.

Re:MicroLEDs Moving from Lab to Fab by Tagbert on Saturday July 24, 2021 @12:35PM (#27942311)
OLED burn-in is likely less of a problem with phones because the useful life of most phones is only a few years. Laptops and monitors are a different story as they typically last for 5-10+ years.
Re:MicroLEDs Moving from Lab to Fab by dharmaturtle on Saturday July 24, 2021 @10:48AM (#27941404)
OLED burn in is the main reason I haven't bought one to use as a monitor. The taskbar is probably gonna burn in as it just doesn't change much.