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Re:Released from a gag order regarding a federal investigati... by bogwog on Friday July 23, 2021 @06:27PM (#27936305)
So you're saying there's a conspiracy?
Re:Released from a gag order regarding a federal investigati... by Dylan16807 on Friday July 23, 2021 @07:23PM (#27936805)
Any time two people are secretly obnoxious on purpose it's a conspiracy. So sure, it might be that. I hope you're not invoking the word 'conspiracy' to make such a mundane thing sound ridiculous.
Re:Released from a gag order regarding a federal investigati... by AmericanChopper on Friday July 23, 2021 @06:40PM (#27936427)
Unless the facts in the article are fabricated, we can say for sure that members of the US Marshal service conspired to interfere with tech dirt’s business. Conspiracies happen all the time. It’s not a synonym for “something that isn’t real”.
Re:Released from a gag order regarding a federal investigati... by II2II on Friday July 23, 2021 @07:27PM (#27936845)
No, we cannot say that with any certainty. The most probable explanation is they had to investigate a threat and did not want evidence to be destroyed in the meantime. There is no reason to believe there was an intent to interfere with a business and it sounds like there would have been no interference with the business if they maintained logs for 90 days.
Re:Released from a gag order regarding a federal investigati... by AmericanChopper on Friday July 23, 2021 @07:36PM (#27936947)
Then they conspired to investigate tech dirt, or one of its users, it’s still a conspiracy. The US Marshals (secretly) acted in harmony toward a common end.

The article describes what is factually a conspiracy. That’s what the word conspiracy means, it’s just become a word people use to try and undermine people or their arguments without providing any substantive criticism for them. As the commenter does above.

Re:Released from a gag order regarding a federal investigati... by II2II on Friday July 23, 2021 @09:06PM (#27937531)
Still, no.

If you are insisting that a conspiracy is a secretive action towards a common end, then the US Marshals and TechDirt are the colluding parties based upon the information provided. The person who made the post is the stated target. That being said, the definition of conspiracy involves illegal or immoral actions. There is no evidence of the former in the article. The latter is largely an individual judgement call, yet there is no evidence that data exchanged hands (simply that it was preserved for a longer duration than it normally would have) so I trouble seeing it as immoral.

Calling or implying that the US Marshals' actions with respect to TechDirt a conspiracy is a large part of the reason why people dismiss conspiracies as fictional.

Re:Released from a gag order regarding a federal investigati... by AmericanChopper on Friday July 23, 2021 @09:35PM (#27937674)
I’m not insisting that’s what the word means. That’s how it’s defined in the dictionary.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/conspire

It’s usually used to describe something secretive, or illegal, or wrongful on some level (and anything can be considered wrongful or harmful depending on your perspective), but that’s certainly not a required condition by definition.

Just about everything the government does is by definition part of a conspiracy. Everything the government does in secret is most certainly part of a conspiracy.

The word has just be morphed into having a seperate implied meaning, where people simply describe something as a “conspiracy” or “conspiracy theory” as a way of dismissing a claim or criticism without actually engaging with it on any level. This article describes a conspiracy fact, and as far as I can tell, none of the facts reported in the article are in dispute.

One of the parent commenters postulates a motive, a claim which is dismissed by suggesting that would be a conspiracy. That response lacks any level of substance whatsoever, because it is factually a conspiracy no matter what the motive.