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Re:We’d rather have the iceberg than the ship by rhino369 on Friday July 23, 2021 @01:21PM (#27933231)
Has any western nation achieved dense middle class inner city neighborhoods post WWII? The anglosphere cities that rose after the ubiquity of the automobile are all sprawling. The outer run suburbs of all western major cities are sprawling.

The cities with dense middle class inner city neighborhoods mostly developed without cars.

You'd have to ban cars to achieve it.

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Re:We’d rather have the iceberg than the ship by Qwertious on Friday July 23, 2021 @02:10PM (#27933842)
Check out Amsterdam. You don't need to ban cars, you just need to make bikes a preferable alternative. And as has been mentioned all over this thread, check out the YouTube channel called Not Just Bikes, for a ton of good videos on the subject.
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Re:We’d rather have the iceberg than the ship by rhino369 on Friday July 23, 2021 @04:39PM (#27935358)
Amsterdam is my point. If it were founded in 1906 instead of 1306 it would look more Los Angles.

It's very hard take an area developed around a car (everywhere in America since 1920s) and make it bike preferable.

You basically need for the area to be so run down that you can start from scratch. Like a taking a formerly industrial area and then only zoning it for mixed use, high density residential/commercial use.

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Re:We’d rather have the iceberg than the ship by throwaway210222 on Friday July 23, 2021 @02:18PM (#27933940)
> You don't need to ban cars, you just need to make bikes a preferable alternative.

You also need flat ground. Soccer-moms do not do hills.

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Re:We’d rather have the iceberg than the ship by Steltek on Friday July 23, 2021 @01:49PM (#27933598)
From scratch? What starting point are you looking for? I don't think enough time has passed for a classical organic urban core to have developed from nothing. I guess for walkable postwar communities, I would look at college towns.
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