Ask HN: How are salaries for senior devs in Berlin at the moment?

Re:Ask HN: How are salaries for senior devs in Berlin at the... by akvadrako on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @06:32PM (#27913013)

I'm not in Berlin, but The Netherlands, which is probably similar. Most senior positions are around 50-80k, but there are a few over 100k.

However if you're willing to do contracting you can make a lot more - there are plenty of full-time, long-term gigs with rates of 80-110/hour.

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Re:Ask HN: How are salaries for senior devs in Berlin at the... by callahad on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @07:01PM (#27913251)

For the Netherlands, Gergely Orosz recently published an interesting article titled "The Trimodal Nature of Software Engineering Salaries in the Netherlands and Europe" at https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/software-engineering-sala...

It's a worthwhile read, but this bit from the start is notable:

> The 2019 Honeypot Amsterdam developer survey says, "the most experienced developers earn an average of €55,000 high as over €70,000". The 2021 Talent.io salary report puts the most experienced software engineering salaries in Amsterdam at €60,000/year. Meanwhile, I've observed the average senior total compensation figures at Uber nearly double from €110,000 in 2015 to €170,000-€230,000/year by 2020. It's not just Uber: Booking.com senior total packages have gone up by 50% from around €100,000 in 2016 to €150,000+, as part of the EU salary research I've been running

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Re:Ask HN: How are salaries for senior devs in Berlin at the... by theodric on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @06:59PM (#27913233)

Jesus, that's depressing. 13 years ago I, 25, got a medior infra syseng role in Amsterdam at €70k and 30% ruling, net €4k. The market collapsed during the crisis and never came back.

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Re:Ask HN: How are salaries for senior devs in Berlin at the... by Aboh33 on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @07:11PM (#27913325)

Yeah and the positions also keep getting bunched together with no end in sight. I suspect in the future we will see postings such as DevQASecMLOps and salaries will bump up nominally

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Re:Ask HN: How are salaries for senior devs in Berlin at the... by 908B64B197 on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @08:50PM (#27914076)

On an annual basis I know internships that pay more than that.

But seriously, that's base rate. What's the stock compensation and bonus structure?

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Re:Ask HN: How are salaries for senior devs in Berlin at the... by mcntsh on Thursday July 22, 2021 @04:27AM (#27916687)

Stock/bonus are not common in Germany in my experience. A sign on bonus yes, but annual bonuses/stock options no.

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Re:Ask HN: How are salaries for senior devs in Berlin at the... by username90 on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @09:08PM (#27914183)

Most jobs doesn't offer significant bonus or stock. Even in USA most don't.

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Re:Ask HN: How are salaries for senior devs in Berlin at the... by 908B64B197 on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @09:30PM (#27914314)

That's a red flag.

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Re:Ask HN: How are salaries for senior devs in Berlin at the... by gumby on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @10:12PM (#27914525)

I read that it is illegal in Germany.

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Re:Ask HN: How are salaries for senior devs in Berlin at the... by ThePadawan on Thursday July 22, 2021 @03:07AM (#27916278)

The forms you see in the US (options to buy stocks etc.) might be illegal.

But bonuses and other bonus compensation (i.e. offering part ownership in the form of special non-public stocks) aren't.

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Re:Ask HN: How are salaries for senior devs in Berlin at the... by nickcox on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @10:42PM (#27914683)

Not to offer a bonus or equity?

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Re:Ask HN: How are salaries for senior devs in Berlin at the... by gumby on Thursday July 22, 2021 @06:05AM (#27917190)

I don’t believe options are legal compensation. In the US RSUs are becoming more common than they used to be for startups and something like that might be OK.

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Re:Ask HN: How are salaries for senior devs in Berlin at the... by icythere on Thursday July 22, 2021 @09:36AM (#27918659)

That's bad for Germany. They are gonna change [1]?

I've seen a few company has stock options already. One of my friends has.

[1] https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/29/germany-to-reform-stock-opti...

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Re:Ask HN: How are salaries for senior devs in Berlin at the... by cosmodisk on Thursday July 22, 2021 @05:01PM (#27924272)

It's crazy... I'm already seeing similar salary ranges in Baltics, which aren't nowhere near as expensive as The Netherlands...

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Re:Ask HN: How are salaries for senior devs in Berlin at the... by bruce343434 on Friday July 23, 2021 @04:18AM (#27928433)

Contracting has its own caveats like no pension, and no sick pay.

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Re:Ask HN: How are salaries for senior devs in Berlin at the... by himlion on Friday July 23, 2021 @03:45PM (#27934827)

It's still a MUCH better deal in the Netherlands.

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