Ya frozen chosen up there, spent some time as well but not for years. figure it'll get better though if climate all pans out as people are concerned about.

MSPL tech is (or used to: unclear if remote work will change this) appealing b/c of the corporate cluster around there, and the city's future despite last year seems ok as it's the main eastern urban hub for all the rural farming stretching west of it. I work with a lot of remote folks from MSPL, so seems like there is a tech community.

Chicago seems interesting, but as I understand it the state finances are upside down because of pensions and the like, and it's slowly reflecting in income taxes.

Yes, most of us cluster in a latitude about parallel with northern California or southern Oregon.