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Re:EU plans to make Bitcoin transfers more traceable by Cthulhu_ on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @06:17AM (#27904371)
> I think freely flowing capital is going to be good for everyone.

The US and 'west' is already financially liberal, so we can make an observation: it is NOT good for everyone. Capital flows freely, but it flows upwards. Trickle-down economics is proven false. Advocating for more liberal finances also means being okay with leaving people behind and in the shit; the unemployed, the homeless, the working poor, the huge percentage of people who constantly live one paycheck or one medical issue away from bankruptcy, the people who work 16 hours a day at multiple jobs and still can't make ends meet, etc etc etc.

I mean to rephrase your claim, yeah capital / money should flow freely, but egalitarian. The wealth of an individual should benefit all. The richest countries in the world shouldn't have poverty on an individual level. There shouldn't be a case where a handful of people have more money than half the world population.

And I get it, building a space company and launching yourself into space is cool, but that money could also have gone to your employees to lift them out of poverty and insecurity.

Re:EU plans to make Bitcoin transfers more traceable by roenxi on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @06:55AM (#27904620)
I don't buy the theory that someone else being well off makes me badly off. I also don't buy the theory that someone else being badly off should make me feel bad.

Capital controls aren't going to help the unemployed, the homeless, the working poor, the huge percentage of people who constantly live one paycheck or one medical issue away from bankruptcy. Capital controls will make those problems worse; forcing people to make bad decisions with their investments is not the fast track to getting great long term results.

Re:EU plans to make Bitcoin transfers more traceable by sudosysgen on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @10:35AM (#27906835)
Some form of capital control is necessary for taxation. Without efficient taxation all of the people you mention are going to be extra fucked.

There are capital controls and then there are capital controls - but preventing you from moving all of your money out of the country to avoid taxes is still a control on capital.

Re:EU plans to make Bitcoin transfers more traceable by franga2000 on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @01:04PM (#27908945)
> I don't buy the theory that someone else being well off makes me badly off

You mean the theory of...mathematics? More money in one place necessarily means less money in another.

If I sell a product for 100€ but only pay my worker 20€ to make it, I'm becoming rich. If my worker wants to buy that product, it costs them 5x their salary, but only costs me 1.4x. If all my CEO friends do the same for their products, the workers are becoming poor because of us becoming rich.

Now let's stop trying to be rich. Let's lower the margins and sell the product for 40€. Now it's 2x my salary (marginally worse for me), but also only 2x my worker's salary (much better for them). Let's say all of us CEOs do that. By not being rich, we've allowed our workers to be less poor.

Re:EU plans to make Bitcoin transfers more traceable by rowanG077 on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @07:18PM (#27913388)
You assume economics is a zero sum game. Which I don't think is even remotely proven.
Re:EU plans to make Bitcoin transfers more traceable by franga2000 on Thursday July 22, 2021 @04:40AM (#27916758)
To not make it zero-sum, money would need to either have to be created in a transaction or somehow raise its value. The former clearly doesn't happen and is a terrible idea and the latter doesn't either and even if it did, it would affect both sides (rich an poor) equally (as a ratio, not absolute) and therefore even widen the gap in purchasing power.
Re:EU plans to make Bitcoin transfers more traceable by rowanG077 on Thursday July 22, 2021 @05:17AM (#27916932)
Money is literally created every day. It's exceedingly easy in fact.
Re:EU plans to make Bitcoin transfers more traceable by franga2000 on Thursday July 22, 2021 @05:31AM (#27917010)
Yes, but because the amount in circulation goes up, the value of it goes down. And it's not like the money that is created benefits the poor - it just allows rich people to borrow more probably make even more money from their "investments".