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Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ... by trasz on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @08:52AM (#27893115)
Poland, welfare? :-D

As for neoliberalism: in Poland the usual way of employment, called "umowa o dzieło", gives the employee pretty much no rights whatsoever. It's almost as bad as in the US in that matter, and not comparable at all to Western Europe.

Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ... by ptsneves on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @09:45AM (#27893616)
I am not a Pole, but live in Poland. Umowa o dzielo is quite pervasive but this is not a problem specific to Poland. Portugal, my home country has the same problems just the thing is a different name. The translation would be contractor. As a contractor you obviously have no rights, even so i think this is not the equivalent of US employment.

In both countries the governments are trying to make it quite hard to have people with Umowa o dzielo, which are de-facto employees, but do not pay the appropriate taxes nor are corrrectly protected. The employers also have some reason to do this, the protections offered to the employees often make it a very big risk to hire somebody. Regardless, i believe the southern European countries got it much worse on that front. (Note, the Polish social security model was heavily influenced by the spanish one).

Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ... by trasz on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @10:30AM (#27894203)
The difference is, in Poland "umowa o dzieło" isn't hard: if anything it's easier than normal employment, because you don't have to care about things like ZUS, and it's much cheaper (in terms of labour costs).
Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ... by krzyk on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @09:40AM (#27893565)
I have never worked using that "way", always the normal one.

What you describe is used by firms that you can smell a mile away and don't even try to work there.

I'm sure western Europe has similar companies that abuse employer rights.

Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ... by trasz on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @10:27AM (#27894151)
In the field of software development, in Poland, this is the normal one.

Also, note that this is not an abuse of employer's rights: that's precisely how "umowa o dzieło" is supposed to work. That's one example of prevalent neoliberalism.

Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ... by krzyk on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @02:54PM (#27897688)
No one in my or my wifes family works in any other formnof emoloyment. And believe me they are not software developers.

Yes, that's not a good proof, but you also did not present any sources.

Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ... by trasz on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @04:34PM (#27898926)
It’s a bit hard to find something on this in English; if you can read Polish there’s plenty, eg https://biznes.interia.pl/praca/news-2030-proc-zatrudnionych...