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Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ... by dessant on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @05:01AM (#27891446)
People voting themselves right to the edge of a totalitarian regime does not make that criticism any less legitimate.
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Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ... by dessant on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @05:13AM (#27891527)
I think what's important is respecting human rights, not ideological affiliation, and in that sense Hungary has noticeably regressed in the past decade.
Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ... by Dma54rhs on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @06:31AM (#27892040)
Human rights are a human construct and constantly change over time.
Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ... by huetius on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @01:35PM (#27896691)
If you deny any form of transcendence, which is the case in the positivist, technocratic culture of the West, then this is the inevitable conclusion.
Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ... by trasz on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @05:02PM (#27899288)
It’s either this, or basing ones moral code on old wives tales.
Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ... by huetius on Wednesday July 21, 2021 @11:46AM (#27907805)
I am very much in favor of human rights. They are among the last, public vestiges of the “old wives tales” you denigrate, and could be problematized at any time. This could come from the political left, the political right, or some as-yet unrevealed historical force. Without recourse to the kind of transcendent, essential reality that positivism negates, we will have a very hard time defending them as anything other than a mutable, socially contingent prejudice.
Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ... by trasz on Thursday July 22, 2021 @04:16AM (#27916637)
That’s an interesting argument, given that the Catholic Church was - and largely still is - opposed to Human Rights, and fought fiercely against them. Remind me, when was the last time the Catholic pope argued against woman voting rights; it was ~1950, right?
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Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ... by dessant on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @05:17AM (#27891551)
I guess you will change your views about human rights when you and your family will be the ones being specifically targeted by your own government.
Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ... by hyper_dynamics on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @05:25AM (#27891585)
No it's not.
Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ... by cannabis_sam on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @05:43AM (#27891714)
Far more people have an apoplectic fit at anything that can even vaguely be described as “liberal”..
Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ... by bbv-if on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @04:31PM (#27898895)
Even when the word is being used in its european sense, meaning more or less the same as 'libertarian' in the US.
Re:Hungarian journalists and critics of Orbán were targeted ... by cannabis_sam on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @04:57PM (#27899225)
It can be for sure, but at least in Northern Europe, it can also suggest a more social liberal ideology (e.g. look at Sweden’s recent debacle)

To be honest, my comment was mostly a jab at the GP for their touch anxiety when using the word “liberal”, although it’s less obvious now, when their followup comment is dead.