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Re:Leak uncovers global abuse of cyber-surveillance weapon by zepto on Sunday July 18, 2021 @01:32PM (#27874734)
> Also rather stupid was Apple's statement about their phones being secure

Apple has never made such a statement.

Re:Leak uncovers global abuse of cyber-surveillance weapon by commoner on Sunday July 18, 2021 @01:44PM (#27874826)
> Apple has never made such a statement.

From the article:

> Apple said: “Security researchers agree iPhone is the safest, most secure consumer mobile device on the market.”

Re:Leak uncovers global abuse of cyber-surveillance weapon by zepto on Sunday July 18, 2021 @01:48PM (#27874854)
Exactly. It says nothing about their phones being secure. Only that they are more secure than their competitors.
Re:Leak uncovers global abuse of cyber-surveillance weapon by cblconfederate on Sunday July 18, 2021 @02:53PM (#27875425)
So it is fair to say that iPhones are insecure
Re:Leak uncovers global abuse of cyber-surveillance weapon by zepto on Sunday July 18, 2021 @08:41PM (#27878085)
No - that would obviously be just as false as claiming they are secure.
Re:Leak uncovers global abuse of cyber-surveillance weapon by cblconfederate on Sunday July 18, 2021 @08:43PM (#27878093)
they can't both be false
Re:Leak uncovers global abuse of cyber-surveillance weapon by zepto on Monday July 19, 2021 @10:23AM (#27882927)
Of course they can. They are categorical statements. The reality is not absolute.
Re:Leak uncovers global abuse of cyber-surveillance weapon by cblconfederate on Monday July 19, 2021 @01:49PM (#27885362)
by that logic, of course they can't. The statement that they can is categorical
Re:Leak uncovers global abuse of cyber-surveillance weapon by zepto on Monday July 19, 2021 @03:25PM (#27886364)
What you just said is gibberish because it ignores the context of what we are talking about.

You are imagining that computer security is absolute. A system cannot be 100% secure or 100% insecure. To claim either is obviously false.

Systems can be relatively more or less secure than other system.

Re:Leak uncovers global abuse of cyber-surveillance weapon by commoner on Sunday July 18, 2021 @01:49PM (#27874868)
That's a stretch.
Re:Leak uncovers global abuse of cyber-surveillance weapon by zepto on Sunday July 18, 2021 @01:55PM (#27874921)
No, it’s what they said.

Saying they claimed their phones to be secure is just a lie.

Re:Leak uncovers global abuse of cyber-surveillance weapon by commoner on Sunday July 18, 2021 @02:01PM (#27874971)
It's a stretch to argue that "safest, most secure consumer mobile device on the market" is not a claim of security. The average reader would not interpret that statement as you did, which makes the statement misleading.
Re:Leak uncovers global abuse of cyber-surveillance weapon by zepto on Sunday July 18, 2021 @04:07PM (#27876195)
> is not a claim of security.

It is a claim of relative security but it is a lie to say that Apple claimed their device is secure.

>The average reader would not interpret that statement as you did

I think most people can read the statement for what it is - a comparison to other devices on the market.