Re:Leak uncovers global abuse of cyber-surveillance weapon
by commoner on Sunday July 18, 2021 @01:44PM
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> Apple has never made such a statement.
From the article:
> Apple said: “Security researchers agree iPhone is the safest, most secure consumer mobile device on the market.”
Re:Leak uncovers global abuse of cyber-surveillance weapon
by zepto on Sunday July 18, 2021 @01:48PM
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Exactly. It says nothing about their phones being secure. Only that they are more secure than their competitors.
Re:Leak uncovers global abuse of cyber-surveillance weapon
by cblconfederate on Sunday July 18, 2021 @02:53PM
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So it is fair to say that iPhones are insecure
Re:Leak uncovers global abuse of cyber-surveillance weapon
by zepto on Sunday July 18, 2021 @08:41PM
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No - that would obviously be just as false as claiming they are secure.
Re:Leak uncovers global abuse of cyber-surveillance weapon
by cblconfederate on Sunday July 18, 2021 @08:43PM
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they can't both be false
Re:Leak uncovers global abuse of cyber-surveillance weapon
by zepto on Monday July 19, 2021 @10:23AM
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Of course they can. They are categorical statements. The reality is not absolute.
Re:Leak uncovers global abuse of cyber-surveillance weapon
by cblconfederate on Monday July 19, 2021 @01:49PM
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by that logic, of course they can't. The statement that they can is categorical
Re:Leak uncovers global abuse of cyber-surveillance weapon
by zepto on Monday July 19, 2021 @03:25PM
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What you just said is gibberish because it ignores the context of what we are talking about.
You are imagining that computer security is absolute. A system cannot be 100% secure or 100% insecure. To claim either is obviously false.
Systems can be relatively more or less secure than other system.
Re:Leak uncovers global abuse of cyber-surveillance weapon
by commoner on Sunday July 18, 2021 @01:49PM
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That's a stretch.
Re:Leak uncovers global abuse of cyber-surveillance weapon
by zepto on Sunday July 18, 2021 @01:55PM
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No, it’s what they said.
Saying they claimed their phones to be secure is just a lie.
Re:Leak uncovers global abuse of cyber-surveillance weapon
by commoner on Sunday July 18, 2021 @02:01PM
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It's a stretch to argue that "safest, most secure consumer mobile device on the market" is not a claim of security. The average reader would not interpret that statement as you did, which makes the statement misleading.
Re:Leak uncovers global abuse of cyber-surveillance weapon
by zepto on Sunday July 18, 2021 @04:07PM
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> is not a claim of security.
It is a claim of relative security but it is a lie to say that Apple claimed their device is secure.
>The average reader would not interpret that statement as you did
I think most people can read the statement for what it is - a comparison to other devices on the market.
Apple has never made such a statement.