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Re:The case for banning non-competes by Gibbon1 on Friday July 16, 2021 @04:03PM (#27860607)
You know what Manhattan has that SF doesn't.

Subways[1].

Sure developers would love to build more chicken coops for tech bros. But they absolutely don't want to kick down coin to pay for the subway system needed to support that density.

[1] Oh yea SF has BART which was built 50 years ago and not expanded since. And the central subway which is 1.7 miles long, not open yet after ten years of construction and 20 years after it got the green light.

Re:The case for banning non-competes by wolverine876 on Friday July 16, 2021 @06:17PM (#27861855)
The famous legend of NYC is that they had the vision to build infrastructure beyond current needs.

Now, it's trendy to view any investment by democratic government as wasteful, and to reduce the taxes by which the community makes that investment to nothing.

What will happen to future generations, who have us as their forbears rather than the visionary New Yorkers.

Re:The case for banning non-competes by kiba on Friday July 16, 2021 @07:25PM (#27862309)
There's plenty of investments. It's called suburban sprawl, and some people even think it's a tax ponzi scheme.
Re:The case for banning non-competes by sib on Friday July 16, 2021 @07:57PM (#27862492)
2 of the 3 subway systems in NYC were built by private companies.

It was only later that all were merged into one publicly-managed one.

Re:The case for banning non-competes by barry-cotter on Friday July 16, 2021 @08:37PM (#27862704)
That was also when expansion basically stopped.
Re:The case for banning non-competes by filmgirlcw on Friday July 16, 2021 @04:44PM (#27860987)
I agree, which is my underlying point: they don’t want to expand! The lack of public transit is a problem plenty of people have been yelling about for decades, as you mentioned. Developers, citizens, and the city council have all proven over the years they are unwilling to do what needs to be done to make expansion possible.
Re:The case for banning non-competes by ceejayoz on Friday July 16, 2021 @07:53PM (#27862472)
> You know what Manhattan has that SF doesn't. Subways.

Well, yes. And deep bedrock and fairly stable geology that makes them possible.

Re:The case for banning non-competes by barry-cotter on Friday July 16, 2021 @08:36PM (#27862699)
If Japan (earthquakes) and the Netherlands (built on swamp) and Shanghai (swamp) can do it so can San Francisco.
Re:The case for banning non-competes by Gibbon1 on Friday July 16, 2021 @11:41PM (#27863408)
Well and there is also the old Bart tunnel and more modern Central Subway. And then there are the subway tunnels they have built/building in Los Angeles.

Snippets I've read over the years seem to say that subway tunnels and deep foundations don't tend to fail in earthquakes because they to move with the ground around them. And because they are already structurally strong.

Basically the lack of mass transit to support higher density is because of lack of willingness to pay for it. Unwillingness to pay for public infrastructure is due American economic ideology. Not anything specific to San Francisco.

Re:The case for banning non-competes by ceejayoz on Friday July 16, 2021 @09:10PM (#27862827)
Shitty soil and earthquakes in combination is a bad combo.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/earthquake-expert-san-fra...