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Re:Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media e... by yohannparis on Friday July 16, 2021 @02:56PM (#27859859)
As a viewer of the documentary, I will love that effect instead of a bland voice-over. But a note should be added on the screen that the voice is AI-generated. Like when they say a war video is a reenactment.
Re:Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media e... by MrMetlHed on Friday July 16, 2021 @04:59PM (#27861157)
Why would it have to be a bland voice-over? It's an email he sent to a friend. Have the friend read it. I imagine the friend would become emotional. That's far more riveting than a computer recreation, no?
Re:Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media e... by owlninja on Saturday July 17, 2021 @01:20AM (#27863684)
I have not seen the movie yet, but I would take a guess that they wanted to recreate the voice-over similar to his television shows.
Re:Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media e... by danuker on Saturday July 17, 2021 @01:43AM (#27863758)
Hmm, perhaps even the recipient of the letter involved. I think this would have been a better dramatic choice.
Re:Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media e... by jamestimmins on Friday July 16, 2021 @03:01PM (#27859912)
Agreed, this whole issue could be solved with a message before the film runs about how the voiceover is created, and then a "recreation" label during that scene.
Re:Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media e... by godelski on Friday July 16, 2021 @05:44PM (#27861585)
I don't think so. There are still other ethical considerations. Bourdain likely would not have liked this, as others in the thread point out. So it is weird to honor someone with a documentary but not honor their wishes
Re:Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media e... by 37r7dyysy on Friday July 16, 2021 @06:37PM (#27861987)
What makes those considerations significant enough to be worth the effort of evaluating though? It's too late to stop the tech from existing, there's no individuals actually being harmed, and even if you find a framework for arguing harm that's compelling the end-game is just going to be updated contracts which demand rights to use the performer's likeness for these sorts of purposes. The dialogue just seems like a lot of opining for the sake of itself with a fashionable hint of 21st century doom-cult luddism. I guess maybe the unions might have a reason to worry but I don't have a lot of sympathy for unions representing millionaires.
Re:Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media e... by godelski on Saturday July 17, 2021 @12:40AM (#27863564)
> It's too late to stop the tech from existing

I have no qualms with the tech existing, assuming I do is you creating an argument I don't have. In fact I work in ML generative modeling. But just because a tool exists doesn't mean you shouldn't be thoughtful about how you use it. Technology isn't really good or bad on its own.

> there's no individuals actually being harmed

This is debatable. I think a lot matters on how you think of dead people. I believe most people would take the stance that it is unethical to use someone's image to promote things they did not stand for. You're right that it is very difficult to impossible to harm a dead person, but there's still respect. There's also a family that lives with how you portray said person. They _can_ be harmed.

> the end-game is just going to be updated contracts which demand rights to use the performer's likeness for these sorts of purposes

If there's (informed) consent then what's the issue? (If we assume that said person knows what they have consented to)

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but your response seems in bad faith and to operate on many assumptions about me that just do not hold true. Frankly this is not the kind of conversations I want to have on HN or expect to have. I'm happy to argue about the ethics and have differing opinions, but I do not appreciate my image being depicted with a broad brush. As long as the conversation is in good faith we can discuss a lot of controversial things and disagree all day and everything will be fine. But turning

> Bourdain likely would not have liked this

into

> a fashionable hint of 21st century doom-cult luddism

Is just ridiculous. That's far too large of a leap and such comments are not welcome here. You're welcome to try again but you'll need to update your priors.

Re:Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media e... by s1artibartfast on Friday July 16, 2021 @09:44PM (#27862970)
I think that is a fair question to ask but I don't agree with your conclusions.

You are essentially asking why bother investigating and forming opinions and value judgements on the the use of new technology. Humans use opinions and values to decide how they want to interact with the outside world. Even if the technology exists and no living are harmed, people can find it distasteful. people can decide not to support what they find distasteful. They can decide to voice support actors unions if the issue ever comes up. They can tell their friends and family how they would like their likeness used as these technologies become more prevalent.

Re:Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media e... by ghaff on Friday July 16, 2021 @04:00PM (#27860591)
Disclaimers help. And it's not like they were making up words. But I still feel it was probably a poor creative choice.
Re:Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media e... by KONAir on Friday July 16, 2021 @04:38PM (#27860929)
I suppose a spoken line at the begining along the lines of it is not that person, but a generated voice, would be the best solution.
Re:Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media e... by pankajdoharey on Friday July 16, 2021 @03:34PM (#27860300)
It would be interesting to see if recreating songs is possible, if so i would like to hear the voice of Jim morrison and Curt Cobain.
Re:Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media e... by genewitch on Friday July 16, 2021 @04:00PM (#27860593)
I have a machine with two GPUs and a frozen OS with a tensorflow python app that clones voices, and I'd say the quality passes if you run it through a phone bandpass filter.

I've had an idea to use propellerhead recycle to chop the output cloned voice into syllables, and then "play" the chopped parts in rhythm, through autotune.

The issue is you get Eifel 65 sounding autotune if your base vocals are monotonic or way off key. The only way I can think of fixing this is to use something like audacity's pitch changer that doesn't affect the speed of the sample - rough the lyrical tones in with audacity/recycle, then autotune it where it needs to go.

I'd like to say I'm too busy to get this workflow going, but mostly I'm lazy and someone else will do it first - and better - I can't improve the AI cloning software.

Re:Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media e... by ethbr0 on Friday July 16, 2021 @04:49PM (#27861041)
You should message @echelon on HN. ;)

https://vo.codes/

Re:Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media e... by echelon on Friday July 16, 2021 @05:29PM (#27861448)
Oh hi!

I've had a new version of this in the works for a few months. It'll launch maybe this weekend? It supports user-trained data sets, which should be pretty neat.

Your approach sounds kind of like unit selection or vocaloid. Do it!! :)

Re:Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media e... by genewitch on Saturday July 17, 2021 @10:16AM (#27865924)
Your gilbert gottfried is better than mine - in that it's more obviously gilbert, however, when he's doing interviews and not "in character" the one i have sounds closer to his actual voice.[0][1]

I use(d) "Real time voice cloning" available on github. I have used your site before, i think that's actually the reason i wanted to find software to do it myself originally!

I ended up using mine to do the announcements on all of the ham repeaters in Central Louisiana. I'm not sure how many are still active, but i had a couple of podcasters and two presidents doing the announcements for a while.[2]

Nice work, wrapping it all in a website/service. I'll bookmark it!

[0] https://soundcloud.com/djoutcold/gottfried1-1

[1] https://soundcloud.com/djoutcold/gilbertopiatecookies

[2] https://soundcloud.com/djoutcold/trump-id-01

Re:Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media e... by echelon on Saturday July 17, 2021 @12:26PM (#27866868)
Good results! Where did you get the voice samples?

I love your use case for ham radio. That's brilliant!

Re:Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media e... by genewitch on Sunday July 18, 2021 @02:56PM (#27875460)
I just cut up youtube videos' audio to only have the voice i wanted to use.

And thanks. I'm glad there's other people messing around with voice cloning, still.

Re:Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media e... by Natsu on Friday July 16, 2021 @09:23PM (#27862895)
I'm honestly surprised that virtual celebs haven't taken over more. They could replace people in a lot of roles like newscasters and such.
Re:Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media e... by minikomi on Friday July 16, 2021 @10:07PM (#27863061)
I'm seeing VTubers more and more on japanese (late night) TV green-screened in alongside regular people.

It's coming soon.

Re:Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media e... by echelon on Saturday July 17, 2021 @12:23PM (#27866856)
I'm so stoked for this, and I totally agree. This is the future of entertainment.

I'm working on mocap, photogrammetry, and compositing on Twitch, and I'm leveraging vocodes for subscriber interaction in the stream.

Are either of you working in this domain? Want to chat?

Re:Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media e... by Natsu on Sunday July 18, 2021 @01:41AM (#27870980)
I'd love to hear more about how this is done, but I've never done a thing with any of this other than trying to predict the future and seeing this as something that will take over eventually. I'm Natsu#7152 on Discord.
Re:Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media e... by stainforth on Friday July 16, 2021 @08:43PM (#27862729)
How much time of audio or data do you need on average to train up something? I guess I'm wondering if I only had a few minutes of someone speaking, would that be enough?
Re:Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media e... by genewitch on Saturday July 17, 2021 @09:50AM (#27865756)
The implementation i am using works best with several <30 second clips. I've tested it by cutting up 20 minute interviews to only have the person i care about, and it seems to be about the same as a half dozen 15 second clips.
Re:Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media e... by dkdbejwi383 on Friday July 16, 2021 @04:20PM (#27860785)
> The only way I can think of fixing this is to use something like audacity's pitch changer that doesn't affect the speed of the sample

Check out Ableton Live’s “Simpler”

Re:Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media e... by caseyohara on Friday July 16, 2021 @03:55PM (#27860527)
Re:Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media e... by rbalicki on Friday July 16, 2021 @03:54PM (#27860520)
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/nirvana-ku... I don't remember if these songs had lyrics, but there are AI generated songs in the style of Cobain and Jim Morrison
Re:Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media e... by rbalicki on Friday July 16, 2021 @03:55PM (#27860526)
Youtube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1-B3M_KaRQ

It does contain lyrics, but the singing is not AI generated.

Re:Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media e... by 3wolf on Friday July 16, 2021 @04:48PM (#27861033)
Would you settle for Ronald Reagan? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAZVp-n-5TM
Re:Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media e... by adventured on Friday July 16, 2021 @05:27PM (#27861425)
Re:Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media e... by xkeysc0re on Friday July 16, 2021 @05:00PM (#27861165)
You should watch The Doors movie by Oliver Stone starring Val Kilmer. Much of the music, including vocals, was redone with Val singing. It can be quite unsettling at times
Re:Voice clone of Anthony Bourdain prompts synthetic media e... by ipsum2 on Friday July 16, 2021 @04:43PM (#27860977)
https://openai.com/blog/jukebox/ it is, but its not great yet.