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Re:My take on the study from MIT that predicts “societal col... by throwaway0a5e on Friday July 16, 2021 @07:16AM (#27855085)
Imagine the uproar if you tried to build a nuclear powered desalination plant on Long Island.

That's basically what you're alluding to with the seaweed and food thing.

Cultural and ideological hangups will go right out the window in a hurry when there's a real crisis and a culturally incompatible solution. People aren't gonna let things truly go to shit over something as trivial as what they eat or where their water comes from.

The primary danger in the first world as I see it is from the moneyed and empowered people F-ing it over for large enough other groups to cause probems. Doesn't take much of a stretch of the imagination to imagine how climate change might F-over downstate Illinois (because farms) but Chicago won't let them do anything about it because they hold all the cards and they make their money a different way. They'd probably figure it out eventually but with how unequal our society is I'm not gonna bet money on eventually happening before the shooting starts.

Re:My take on the study from MIT that predicts “societal col... by giantg2 on Friday July 16, 2021 @07:44AM (#27855272)
"Doesn't take much of a stretch of the imagination to imagine how climate change might F-over downstate Illinois (because farms) but Chicago won't let them do anything about it because they hold all the cards and they make their money a different way."

I actually can't envision what you mean by "Chicago won't let them do anything about it". Isn't Chicago the more liberal area that wants to fight climate change?

Re:My take on the study from MIT that predicts “societal col... by throwaway0a5e on Friday July 16, 2021 @09:44AM (#27856154)
I just picked some random state that has a farming economy (very sensitive to slight environmental changes) at one end and a city economy (not so directly tied to the environment as long as energy is cheap and it isn't flooded) at the other that runs the show so forgive me if the example isn't bulletproof.

>Isn't Chicago the more liberal area that wants to fight climate change?

Right up until you have to take some other controversial step in order to do it.

I'm sure you can imagine how things would go if downstate farmers wanted to all apply some sort of fertilizer that would make their farming economically viable but the beta and the v1 versions of the chemical also killed some sort of visible wildlife.

Re:My take on the study from MIT that predicts “societal col... by cjohnson318 on Friday July 16, 2021 @11:11AM (#27857054)
> the beta and the v1 versions of the chemical also killed some sort of visible wildlife

It sounds like you're referring to herbicides and pesticides that kill bees and other pollinators. People have an obvious problem with pesticides that kill bees. It's not an acceptable level of collateral damage for dirt cheap corn and soybeans.

Re:My take on the study from MIT that predicts “societal col... by giantg2 on Friday July 16, 2021 @10:42AM (#27856718)
Ah, I see.
Re:My take on the study from MIT that predicts “societal col... by ta988 on Friday July 16, 2021 @08:55AM (#27855728)
On paper, but it is also full of rich liberals that care more about their money and look at people downstate with disdain.
Re:My take on the study from MIT that predicts “societal col... by nine_k on Friday July 16, 2021 @09:54AM (#27856241)
Let's alter the start conditions a bit: the same Long Island with the same people, but the Hudson river dries up. And everything around dries up, too.

How about a desalination plant now? Even nuclear?

Re:My take on the study from MIT that predicts “societal col... by adolph on Friday July 16, 2021 @10:08AM (#27856356)
A combination of aqueducts, reservoirs, and tunnels supply fresh water to New York City. With three major water systems (Croton, Catskill, and Delaware) stretching up to 125 miles (201 km) away from the city, its water supply system is one of the most extensive municipal water systems in the world.

The water system has a storage capacity of 550 billion US gallons (2.1×109 m3) and provides over 1.2 billion US gallons (4,500,000 m3) per day of drinking water to more than eight million city residents, and another one million users in four upstate counties bordering on the system. Three separate sub-systems, each consisting of aqueducts and reservoirs, bring water from Upstate New York to New York City.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_water_supply_sys...

Re:My take on the study from MIT that predicts “societal col... by nine_k on Friday July 16, 2021 @10:58AM (#27856919)
I know. Catskill and Croton are both on Hudson river. Imagine that the upstream has dried up, and the Delaware sources gone totally insufficient.

My idea is that a real need makes people reconsider their opinions which they held dear as long as they did not have a skin in the game.