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Re:Valve Steam Deck by bbabaraba on Thursday July 15, 2021 @10:16PM (#27852412)
If you're concerned about losing your games, you can easily do backups from the Steam application, copying game folders, or using something like SLSK https://github.com/skyformat99/SLSK

Bypassing Steamworks basic DRM is easy. Other DRMs obviously require special workarounds.

Re:Valve Steam Deck by joveian on Friday July 16, 2021 @03:29AM (#27853811)
Or you can buy games on GOG instead and support DRM-free (I think they are unfortunately the only fully DRM-free store at this point).
Re:Valve Steam Deck by account42 on Friday July 16, 2021 @03:54AM (#27853906)
Valve are a lot more serious about Linux support though, going as far as employing graphics driver developers.

GOG (and CDPR) on the other hand can't even be bothered to port their own client and games.

Also, GOG is not 100% DRM-free anymore, even if they want to advertise themselves that way. [0]

[0] https://www.gog.com/forum/general/drm_on_gog_list_of_singlep...

Re:Valve Steam Deck by handrous on Friday July 16, 2021 @01:05PM (#27858417)
> Valve are a lot more serious about Linux support though, going as far as employing graphics driver developers.

> GOG (and CDPR) on the other hand can't even be bothered to port their own client and games.

To be fair, I'm pretty sure GOG has a hell of a lot less money than Valve. They don't benefit from any of the gambling-mechanics or multiplayer game "bling" sales that bring in so much of Valve's money, aside from having a much smaller share of PC game sales than Valve does. Valve's got to be way more profitable plus have much higher income, so have the margin to play with stuff like this—which is in their interest, because the weaker alternative operating systems are, the more Valve operates only at the pleasure of Microsoft.

Re:Valve Steam Deck by Wowfunhappy on Friday July 16, 2021 @10:41AM (#27856700)
> Also, GOG is not 100% DRM-free anymore, even if they want to advertise themselves that way. [0]

I'm not happy about these features requiring an internet connection, but they seem pretty minor. The alternative would probably have been that those features were left out of the GOG versions completely.

Re:Valve Steam Deck by lupire on Friday July 16, 2021 @04:34PM (#27860905)
That doesn't make it OK to lie.
Re:Valve Steam Deck by Wowfunhappy on Friday July 16, 2021 @11:37PM (#27863393)
It's not quite a lie, though. The games are 100% playable offline; some optional features are not.
Re:Valve Steam Deck by dantondwa on Friday July 16, 2021 @04:17AM (#27854047)
I've bought many many games on GOG for years because of this. Lately, GOG games come in installers made out of 20 or so parts which take ages to download manually. The only real way to download their games is by using their GOG Galaxy Client. Not that much better than Steam, which on the other hand has fantastic Linux support, while GOG can't be bothered to port their GOG Galaxy client to Linux.

Luckily Lutris allows me to somehow compensate for GOG's lack of interest in Linux, but still, I feel they really do not care about the DRM thing.

Re:Valve Steam Deck by foofly on Friday July 16, 2021 @07:36AM (#27855224)
I've found that Minigalaxy is an excellent GoG application on linux

https://sharkwouter.github.io/minigalaxy/

It deals with both downloading and installing as well as integrating Wine.

Re:Valve Steam Deck by ekianjo on Friday July 16, 2021 @09:08AM (#27855828)
It's only as good as long as someone keeps developing it. I'd prefer first party support any day.
Re:Valve Steam Deck by joveian on Friday July 16, 2021 @06:07AM (#27854660)
While I haven't used it, there is the open source lgogdownloader:

https://github.com/Sude-/lgogdownloader

I only have 12Mbps DSL and an offline game system that I use a FAT formatted microSD card to transfer to so I appreciate the split files, even though it does get annoying with the huge games.

I agree that GOG's Linux support is minimal; often they don't even provide Linux versions that are available on other stores :(.

Two of the isses on the list account42 links to are more serious, although most are fairly minor (there are also a few issues not on the list). Not to excuse those exceptions, however I don't know of any other store that is anywhere close. I have no inside info but my my suspicion is that many CD Projekt investors resent the DRM-free aspect of GOG and would like it to change, while the people running GOG realize it is the major unique aspect of GOG and trying to change it could sink the business. OTOH, I suspect the CD Projekt investors mostly see GOG as a way to get a better deal from Steam for CDPR games. Hard to say what will happen in the future.

Re:Valve Steam Deck by the_af on Friday July 16, 2021 @08:15PM (#27862579)
Out of curiosity, which Linux games on GOG are so difficult to install? I have bought many games on GOG and refuse to install galaxy and so far experienced no problems.
Re:Valve Steam Deck by lupire on Friday July 16, 2021 @04:35PM (#27860913)
If you download with Galaxy, can you remove the game from Galaxy and play it without Galaxy/DRM?
Re:Valve Steam Deck by joveian on Saturday July 17, 2021 @09:33AM (#27865655)
I haven't used Galaxy but I'm almost certain the answer is yes since Galaxy doesn't have DRM like other store clients and you see Galaxy related dlls in the standalone installers as well so I'm guessing the integration is the same either way and doesn't cause trouble without Galaxy present. As of semi-recently you can buy games on Epic via Galaxy but if they are DRMed you still need the Epic launcher to play them since GOG won't add DRM to Galaxy.
Re:Valve Steam Deck by ekianjo on Friday July 16, 2021 @09:07AM (#27855818)
GOG has zero Linux support (or close to none) so they don't get my money at all.
Re:Valve Steam Deck by samtheDamned on Friday July 16, 2021 @11:05AM (#27857001)
Which I've always thought was weird since I'd expect a store with their stance on DRM would be one of the first in line to at least have a linux client.
Re:Valve Steam Deck by ekianjo on Saturday July 17, 2021 @08:36AM (#27865346)
Yeah. It never made sense to me either.
Re:Valve Steam Deck by the_af on Friday July 16, 2021 @08:16PM (#27862584)
What do you mean? I bought plenty of Linux games on GOG (or games bundled to run on Linux).
Re:Valve Steam Deck by ekianjo on Saturday July 17, 2021 @08:36AM (#27865345)
where is the Galaxy Linux client?
Re:Valve Steam Deck by the_af on Saturday July 17, 2021 @10:17AM (#27865932)
I don't need it. I install games by clicking on the provided .sh installer, then click on their desktop icon to start them (or find the app using shortcuts) and all of this is seamless on Ubuntu.

This is also how we used to install and play games on Windows, before the Steam era.

Why do I need Galaxy?

Re:Valve Steam Deck by ekianjo on Saturday July 17, 2021 @09:53PM (#27870232)
If a company pretends to support Linux, they should have a Linux client, whether I need it or not. They basically offer no Linux support, and all the Linux clients that come on their store pages come from developers' willingness, not GOG's.

Itch.io has a Linux client, by the way.

Re:Valve Steam Deck by the_af on Saturday July 17, 2021 @10:35PM (#27870407)
They sell games that work in Linux, what is there to "pretend"?

I disagree that they "should" have a Linux client, for the reasons I explained. I don't have a use for such a client, and as such, I'm happy to ignore it (and love that it isn't mandatory, unlike Steam).

I've never received support from Steam for any technical issue. I'm resourceful and if there's a way, I'll make it work; but almost every help I needed with Steam games was taken from user's forums, within and outside Steam.

Case in point: I learned browsing Steam's forums that the Linux version of The Eternal Castle is glitchy and in many cases the keyboard input doesn't work at all; one user helpfully suggested just using the Windows version using Wine or Proton; this suggestion worked.

> Itch.io has a Linux client, by the way

Good for them! I hope it's optional, since I've no use for it.

What I love about Humble Bundle and GOG is that their games (mostly) don't try to take over your games collection, unlike Steam. I do use Steam and support Valve, but I'd prefer Steam was optional.

Re:Valve Steam Deck by mega-tux on Monday July 19, 2021 @01:11PM (#27884975)
Well, automatic updates is a nice feature on the Itch client.
Re:Valve Steam Deck by samtheDamned on Friday July 16, 2021 @11:33AM (#27857332)
Also I'm pretty sure steam has a clause in its TOS that will open the DRM on all your steam games if steam shuts down