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Re:SpaceX will soon fire up its Super Heavy booster for the ... by bryanlarsen on Thursday July 15, 2021 @07:15PM (#27851201)
But then you need a different vehicle to refuel the original one. If you're doing that, why not just use that second vehicle for the mission and forget about reuse?

Reusing second stages in space only really makes sense once you are making your fuel in space.

Re:SpaceX will soon fire up its Super Heavy booster for the ... by rbanffy on Friday July 16, 2021 @06:55AM (#27854933)
Making fuel on the Moon or on Mars is more or less the plan for any sustainable development of the solar system. Unless we get sci-fi grade engines, it’s just unfeasible to send fuel from Earth.
Re:SpaceX will soon fire up its Super Heavy booster for the ... by Robotbeat on Friday July 16, 2021 @09:35AM (#27856076)
An acquaintance of mine who works in the industry (not at SpaceX) called Raptor a “scifi engine.”

For a lot of purposes, Starship should make it extremely cheap to send propellant from Earth. $10/kg in LEO. Cheaper than any lunar mining proposal I’ve seen.

That said, I hope we do make propellant off-Earth eventually.

Re:SpaceX will soon fire up its Super Heavy booster for the ... by SEJeff on Friday July 16, 2021 @08:49PM (#27862750)
Yeah if I remember correctly, I read that the solar panels required to ISRU make enough methane on Mars for a starship return flight would be two football fields worth and it would take them a few years to do it.
Re:SpaceX will soon fire up its Super Heavy booster for the ... by Robotbeat on Saturday July 17, 2021 @10:37AM (#27866082)
Area is just not a huge problem on Mars or in space in general. It’s not really a relevant figure of merit, unlike mass and pre-deployed volume
Re:SpaceX will soon fire up its Super Heavy booster for the ... by bryanlarsen on Friday July 16, 2021 @08:32AM (#27855566)
That's a chicken and egg problem. Making fuel off of Earth is going to require so much mass for infrastructure that it won't be feasible until we have fully reusable vehicles.