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Re:Valve Steam Deck by saghm on Thursday July 15, 2021 @05:24PM (#27850316)
> I've tried both, Arch Linux will routinely hose your entire install if you don't carefully read the update notes every time (even if most of the time there is no call to action for you). Unless it has changed, this is still the expectation of users.

I'm honestly not quite sure what you're talking about. I've been using Arch as my daily driver for maybe 5 or 6 years, and I don't recall ever having my installation messed up from an update. Arch is fair bit along the spectrum of being a "build your own system from the ground up" type of deal though (although not quite as far along as something like Gentoo), so I don't doubt your experience, given how much two Arch installations can differ.

Re:Valve Steam Deck by zimpenfish on Thursday July 15, 2021 @05:48PM (#27850532)
I've had Arch on 3 servers for 5-6 years also and only had a couple of incidents where Arch updates messed things up.

But one of those was a big compatibility breaking one that I hadn't done the prep for (because I'd missed the whole lead up for various reasons and was months late on the update anyway) and I still can't really explain the other.

Compared to Debian which I managed to break many times in the same time frame...

Re:Valve Steam Deck by pizza234 on Thursday July 15, 2021 @06:15PM (#27850751)
> Compared to Debian which I managed to break many times in the same time frame...

How did you exactly break Debian multiple times?

I've read about people doing crazy stuff, like replacing the default compiler entirely (rather than setting an alternative one) or forcing apt to install incompatible packages... and then complaining that the distribution is not stable.

Non-rolling distros are very very conservative with package upgrades, and they don't "just break", as little changes over a given version.

Re:Valve Steam Deck by sudosysgen on Thursday July 15, 2021 @06:47PM (#27851008)
Generally Debian breaks come from a mission critical software that isn't really available and requires package updates beyond what your version does or from trying to force an update. Also twice dpkg just shat the bed for no reason, but that was 7 and 8 years ago.
Re:Valve Steam Deck by zimpenfish on Friday July 16, 2021 @02:49AM (#27853627)
> How did you exactly break Debian multiple times?

Alas, I can't remember exactly what happened but it was the late 1990s/early 2000s - no crazy stuff involved, just things getting confused / crashing whilst doing updates and leaving things half-arsed and broken.

Re:Valve Steam Deck by beermonster on Friday July 16, 2021 @05:04PM (#27861209)
Back in those days it wasn’t unheard of. Good ol’ dselect!
Re:Valve Steam Deck by craftkiller on Thursday July 15, 2021 @09:40PM (#27852208)
You started using arch after it became stable. I've been using arch for a decade and Voxl's description of a `pacman -Syu` just completely hosing your system used to happen a lot more back then, but I haven't had an issue like that at all in the past 5-6 years.