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Re:Valve Steam Deck by lostmsu on Thursday July 15, 2021 @04:01PM (#27849401)
One of the major reasons people play PC games is mouse and keyboard are way better than joystick. I don't see myself playing PC games on a handheld.
Re:Valve Steam Deck by deadbunny on Thursday July 15, 2021 @05:15PM (#27850227)
But not all games are "PC" games. Plenty of games that are released on PC are best/better played with a conroller and thanks to the PC being a open platform you have many more choices than console. Hell you can use your console's controllers if you like.
Re:Valve Steam Deck by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Thursday July 15, 2021 @06:02PM (#27850638)
> Plenty of games that are released on PC are best/better played with a conroller

Fewer than people think, in my opinion. Snake Pass and Outer Wilds insisted to me that they would be better with a controller and both were wrong.

Re:Valve Steam Deck by fuzxi on Friday July 16, 2021 @01:43AM (#27853332)
Outer Wilds in general is better with KB/M because of mouselook's precision, but getting through Dark Bramble is significantly more difficult because of how thrust works.
Re:Valve Steam Deck by Crespyl on Thursday July 15, 2021 @04:31PM (#27849745)
Valve has experience already with making m+kb games playable via a trackpad on the Steam Controller, so I'm confident that the trackpads on the Deck will be good enough for a decent chunk of games (though I'm not about to try Dota 2 on the thing).

Not every game will be a perfect fit, certainly, but I've had a great time with my Steam Controller playing things like XCOM, Prey (2017), and Divinity Original Sin. IIRC Civilization 5 was explicitly a part of the advertising for the controller in the first place, as a way to play mouse-heavy games from the couch.

Re:Valve Steam Deck by nvarsj on Thursday July 15, 2021 @05:39PM (#27850449)
Not sure I agree. I feel like the majority of AAA PC games are designed for console first and work well with gamepads. At least the ones I play. It’s also just more relaxing since you can lean back.
Re:Valve Steam Deck by Pxtl on Thursday July 15, 2021 @08:03PM (#27851617)
You're in luck, then. The Steam Deck has thumb trackpads for mouse-like aiming. This is their 3rd kick at thumb trackpads (they're on the Steam Controller and the Index Controller) so they're established pretty well at it.

It's not the same as a mouse but it beats the pants off of thumbstick aiming.

Re:Valve Steam Deck by brailsafe on Friday July 16, 2021 @06:29PM (#27861934)
The more interesting thing to me would be actual peripheral support. It's apparently a PC that can connect to an external display or mouse and keyboard.
Re:Valve Steam Deck by caconym_ on Thursday July 15, 2021 @04:45PM (#27849916)
These days I think many or even most PC gamers own a gamepad and choose to use it for certain games, even when they have a mouse and keyboard sitting right in front of them. These also tend to be the same games I'd consider most suitable for playing at reduced resolutions and framerates.
Re:Valve Steam Deck by lostmsu on Thursday July 15, 2021 @10:43PM (#27852551)
To add a point against comments here talking about some games being playable on controllers: of top 10 in Steam's own stats only Destiny 2 looks like you won't be handicapped by a controller.

https://store.steampowered.com/stats/

Re:Valve Steam Deck by yellowapple on Thursday July 15, 2021 @04:55PM (#27850019)
Depends on the game. Flight and driving games are vastly better with a gamepad (let alone proper joysticks or steering wheels) than with a keyboard and mouse IMO.
Re:Valve Steam Deck by conradev on Thursday July 15, 2021 @05:25PM (#27850326)
You can use a keyboard and mouse on a PS5 and a PS5 controller on PC, depending on game support. I believe the same is true for Xbox.
Re:Valve Steam Deck by lostmsu on Thursday July 15, 2021 @10:41PM (#27852546)
It is no longer a handheld if you attach external m+kb.
Re:Valve Steam Deck by Koiwai on Friday July 16, 2021 @09:44AM (#27856149)
What if I tell you when you remove said m+kb it's a handheld again?
Re:Valve Steam Deck by lostmsu on Saturday July 17, 2021 @12:29AM (#27863543)
Then you missed the point.
Re:Valve Steam Deck by Koiwai on Friday July 23, 2021 @12:10AM (#27927107)
How? when you dock a Switch it's not a handheld anymore, so what?
Re:Valve Steam Deck by lostmsu on Friday July 23, 2021 @02:20PM (#27933968)
PC games are built with power in mind that Switch does not have. So you couldn't play them. Switch games are not built with m+kb support, so that would be pointless.
Re:Valve Steam Deck by Koiwai on Monday August 02, 2021 @07:42AM (#28035357)
Lots of PC games can be played without K+M, what's your point again?
Re:Valve Steam Deck by lostmsu on Monday August 02, 2021 @02:54PM (#28041078)
I am sorry, but this got stupid very quickly. You are blind either by inability to see or by choice.

> Lots of PC games can be played without K+M, what's your point again?

The comment you were replying to directly answers you question about the point:

> PC games are built with power in mind that Switch does not have

The part of comment about "can be played without K+M" is entirely irrelevant to what I am saying because the preference _for_ K+M is the premise of this whole comment subtree.

Re:Valve Steam Deck by JKCalhoun on Thursday July 15, 2021 @07:15PM (#27851202)
(worse even: thumbstick)