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Re:Alphafold by dekhn on Thursday July 15, 2021 @03:31PM (#27849046)
I've worked in bio and drug discovery for some 25 years. That includes building classifiers using gradient descent in the 90s (when algorithms, computers and data were all much worse). I ported DOCK to Linux in ~96 or 97. Since then I built an academic and then industrial career with some emphasis on using computing to solve problems in drug discovery, but I don't play that role any more.

It doesn't look like the models produced by this would immediately turn the challenging problem of finding, approving, and marketing successful pharmaceuticals (IE, it doesn't eliminate any real bottleneck).

There was a long-term dream of structure-based drug discovery based on docking, but IMO, it has never really proved itself (most of the examples of success are cherry picked from a much larger pile of massive failures).

Re:Alphafold by miltondts on Thursday July 15, 2021 @03:48PM (#27849254)
> ... but I don't play that role any more.

I was thinking of going into that field. Can you expand a bit on why you left?

Re:Alphafold by dekhn on Thursday July 15, 2021 @03:52PM (#27849306)
Because programming computers is far more lucrative, and I'm better at it. However, if I had an unlimited budget I would return to biology.

I spent 15 years trying to be a professor and failed miserably. I was bad at it and didn't like what professors have to do.

I then moved to industry to be a random engineer and thrived doing things entirely unrelated to drug discovery. Eventually, I convinced my company to invest heavily in life sciences. This was successful and I was on track to be a powerful player (a "research engineer", just like the DM folks who are building these things) in this space, when the project got very popular and I was elbowed aside by others who are more aggressive. So I went back to being a programmer again, it's much less stressful, pays better, and realistically, much of my time is just telling scientists what I would do if I was in their place anyway.

"Don't swim with the sharks if you don't like being bitten"

Re:Alphafold by gnufx on Thursday July 15, 2021 @05:58PM (#27850606)
> much of my time is just telling scientists what I would do if I was in their place anyway.

That sounds familiar. I guess they mostly don't listen, whatever your record -- especially if it was in a different field they could learn from -- but I hope it's not always like that.

Re:Alphafold by yudlejoza on Thursday July 15, 2021 @06:42PM (#27850973)
Most comp-biologists who work directly with programmers are some of the biggest jerks, and the least qualified tech folks.

They hide all of that under "I'm a scientist, you're not".

Re:Alphafold by fossuser on Thursday July 15, 2021 @06:53PM (#27851052)
Maybe a culture clash? Academia is all about status and prestige - more often scientific outcomes seem to be a means to get the former (why journals don't publish negative results, why studies fail to replicate, why stuff isn't open access, why people worry about getting scooped, etc.)

Tech (at its best) hates credentialism (sometimes I think to a point of over-correction).

That said, 80% of the devs in the bay area seem to have gone to Stanford or MIT, so...