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Re:Germany fines YouTube for removing video of anti-lockdown... by silicon2401 on Wednesday July 14, 2021 @03:16PM (#27837163)
I wonder if you would agree to the following equivalent:

> State violence is being used to force a christian bakery to bake (gay/muslim/etc) cakes it finds objectionable. Who's the villain here?

The more you open service to the public, the more control over your output you lose because then it becomes a matter of discrimination.

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Re:Germany fines YouTube for removing video of anti-lockdown... by bobthechef on Wednesday July 14, 2021 @06:35PM (#27839321)
But isn't it coercive to force the baker to make something against his ethical and religious beliefs?

Relativism doesn't really work, does it. There must be objective standards. Otherwise, power is all that matters.

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Re:Germany fines YouTube for removing video of anti-lockdown... by charonn0 on Wednesday July 14, 2021 @03:56PM (#27837668)
Youtube isn't making the videos, though.
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Re:Germany fines YouTube for removing video of anti-lockdown... by happytoexplain on Wednesday July 14, 2021 @03:20PM (#27837207)
Why are they equivalent?
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Re:Germany fines YouTube for removing video of anti-lockdown... by vageli on Wednesday July 14, 2021 @03:23PM (#27837249)
Both are instances of the state compelling a private enterprise to act in a way that is against the enterprise's interests.
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Re:Germany fines YouTube for removing video of anti-lockdown... by hvac on Wednesday July 14, 2021 @03:26PM (#27837293)
Having a certain political opinion is not a protected class in the US
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Re:Germany fines YouTube for removing video of anti-lockdown... by throwawayswede on Wednesday July 14, 2021 @03:50PM (#27837592)
That's not what this is about. In both cases, the state is forcing an company to do something they don't want. The only difference is that you agree with the one but not the other.
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Re:Germany fines YouTube for removing video of anti-lockdown... by hvac on Wednesday July 14, 2021 @04:09PM (#27837814)
Yes, because the difference is that they are essentially immutable personal traits. The parent was presenting this scenario as an equivalent one and I don't think they are.
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Re:Germany fines YouTube for removing video of anti-lockdown... by silicon2401 on Wednesday July 14, 2021 @04:21PM (#27837931)
How is religion any more or less immutable from political beliefs? In my view both are fully equivalent.
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Re:Germany fines YouTube for removing video of anti-lockdown... by username90 on Wednesday July 14, 2021 @04:56PM (#27838328)
Religion is a protected class to stop zealots from waging wars on each other, got to nip it in the bud before tension builds up. It is a very rational reason even if the protection shouldn't be needed in theory.
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Re:Germany fines YouTube for removing video of anti-lockdown... by hvac on Wednesday July 14, 2021 @04:56PM (#27838324)
In some cases (e.g. Jews, Amish) the lines between race/religion/national origin become pretty blurry. I agree that it's the most ambiguous of the classes, though.
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Re:Germany fines YouTube for removing video of anti-lockdown... by throwawayswede on Wednesday July 14, 2021 @04:35PM (#27838099)
Personal traits are always mutable. What seems (and may be) immutable to you could be mutable to others.
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Re:Germany fines YouTube for removing video of anti-lockdown... by hvac on Wednesday July 14, 2021 @04:52PM (#27838287)
It's technically true that you could find some way to dye your skin a different colour, but I don't think most people would find that to be a realistic solution to anything.
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Re:Germany fines YouTube for removing video of anti-lockdown... by xdennis on Wednesday July 14, 2021 @06:21PM (#27839183)
It is in some cases (such as employment) in certain states. Ironically they were often enacted by left wing legislators, but are now being used to defend right wingers.
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