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Re:Firefox 90 by astrange on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @05:29PM (#27826546)
There's no reason to dig up every opinion on Earth just so you can maintain neutrality between all of them.

Brendan Eich is surprisingly un-cancelled for a guy who thinks his employees shouldn't be able to visit their spouses dying in hospitals[1]. He's literally still around.

[1] Which happened a lot during the AIDS pandemic and was essentially the purpose of the gay marriage campaign. It was actually relatively culturally conservative; super-liberal SF gay people wouldn't want nuclear families after all, they'd want to live in communes or something.

Re:Firefox 90 by simondotau on Wednesday July 14, 2021 @01:19AM (#27829962)
I think Eich's view on gay marriage was stupid, irrational and selfish. But I support his right to have that view. Why? Because not supporting his right to hold that view isn't going to change it. If I want any hope of changing his mind, history has shown that silencing and cancelling the views you don't like is ultimately unproductive.

Sadly, people like Eich have been forced to become so defensive on this topic that there's no real hope of reaching them intellectually. This is how humans work: when we feel forced to defend something, most of us will defend it far beyond the point that it's rational.

The broader gay marriage movement is, in my view, a canonical demonstration about how effective positivity can be. Truly inspiring. Some more contemporaneous social movements could learn a thing or two from the cultural normalisation of homosexuality. Rather than learning from success, what I see it a whole lot of hateful negativity on Twitter... and little else.

Re:Firefox 90 by atatatat on Wednesday July 14, 2021 @12:23AM (#27829708)
> He's literally still around.

Low-quality.

Re:Firefox 90 by pseudalopex on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @06:31PM (#27827063)
Eich would tell you he supported civil unions.
Re:Firefox 90 by astrange on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @07:46PM (#27827600)
Too bad he contributed to a campaign that wasn't for them then.

And of course, CA did introduce something like "marriage with a different name" afterwards, but it didn't seem like the Prop 8 defenders liked that either, and the courts still found it unconstitutional.

Re:Firefox 90 by pseudalopex on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @09:11PM (#27828342)
California domestic partnerships included hospital visitation rights from 1999.[1] And most marriage rights from 2005.[2] They weren't fully equal. And separate but equal is nonsense anyway. But they came before Proposition 8.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_partnership_in_Califo...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_partnership_in_Califo...

Re:Firefox 90 by raxxorrax on Wednesday July 14, 2021 @08:11AM (#27832183)
I doubt any of this is true. If that was the reason, why not demonstrate for the right to visit?

It is often a negative stereotype that gay people want to live in communes.

> Brendan Eich is surprisingly un-cancelled

No, he was cancelled by Mozilla for something that has nothing to do with his work. The company lost a lot of goodwill because of that. Liberals too btw. If you preach tolerance and pull stuff like this, your statements won't have much weight further on.

Re:Firefox 90 by BuckRogers on Thursday July 15, 2021 @03:30AM (#27842243)
I’m tribeless, just an American in the age old traditional sense, willing to walk away from any tribe, my only issue is worker's rights, and I also think it was a bad look on Mozilla's part.