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Re:People Staring at Computers by TheOtherHobbes on Monday July 12, 2021 @04:34AM (#27808261)
It's far more troubling that too few people are questioning the mass surveillance he was critiquing and dramatising.

It's classic shoot-the-messenger.

Meanwhile Facebook was - and probably still is - tracking people's online behaviour even when they're not logged into Facebook, based on legalese buried in T&Cs which most users don't even know exist, never mind have read, never mind understood, never mind given explicit informed consent to.

Re:People Staring at Computers by yupper32 on Monday July 12, 2021 @04:38AM (#27808289)
> It's classic shoot-the-messenger.

No it's not!

I don't go around shooting people to advocate gun control laws.

I don't go around stealing people's belongings in cars to advocate that people shouldn't leave valuables in cars.

This is vigilante behavior that should never be condoned.

Re:People Staring at Computers by TheOtherHobbes on Monday July 12, 2021 @04:50AM (#27808363)
But you are defending a home raid on someone who was not brought to trial, but was making a politcal and moral point about corporate tools and corporate behaviours.

When you think criticism - oblique, but clearly still harmless - is more of a problem than the behaviours, you are very much trying to shoot the messenger.

Re:People Staring at Computers by bbarnett on Monday July 12, 2021 @05:09AM (#27808449)
I think, as soon as he became the actor as well, he ceased being "the messager" in the terms of solely passing on a message.

Put another way, "shoot the messenger" is a phrase used when an unbiased person, merely delivering a message of bias/harm from another, is attacked for the message.

You are not a messenger, when you perform the act/deed/thing yourself.

Re:People Staring at Computers by NotEvil on Monday July 12, 2021 @06:24AM (#27808858)
That is what I don't understand why he can't be a messenger and an actor at the same time.

Everything doesn't have to be black and white you know

Re:People Staring at Computers by SamoyedFurFluff on Monday July 12, 2021 @07:47AM (#27809302)
Then it isn’t shooting the messenger because they’re also an actor? Being a messenger doesn’t grant someone immunity from being critiqued for doing unethical things.
Re:People Staring at Computers by NotEvil on Thursday July 15, 2021 @08:11AM (#27843807)
No, it don't. But being an actor doesn't mean an individual can't be an messanger doing something in good faith.

"Dooing good, through bad methods"

Re:People Staring at Computers by overboard2 on Monday July 12, 2021 @09:33AM (#27810069)
>But you are defending a home raid on someone who was not brought to trial

He should have been brought to trial

Re:People Staring at Computers by teawrecks on Monday July 12, 2021 @02:17PM (#27813321)
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Every noteworthy push for societal change through history that ever involved breaking a law could be labeled vigilante behavior by some party. I just don't find that argument convincing. Our laws aren't there to protect themselves, they exist to create the society we want to live in. In what ways did the artist's actions harm our society? In what ways did it change how we view our society? Do we like what we see?

This isn't big brother with all the power systematically spying on citizens, this is a nobody with no power showing us a picture of ourselves. Both cases are happening, both happen against the will of the people, and yet which one do we allow to continue?

I'll also point out that the discussion we're having is exactly the outcome the artist intended.