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Re:Sundar Pichai warns of threats to internet freedom by Spooky23 on Sunday July 11, 2021 @11:12PM (#27806546)
Google is literally the only tech giant with an interest in the open internet.

Facebook scored the mortal wound on the web — they reinvented a bigger, badder AOL closed garden.

Re:Sundar Pichai warns of threats to internet freedom by argvargc on Monday July 12, 2021 @06:01AM (#27808742)
> Google is literally the only tech giant with an interest in the open internet.

This statement is an oxymoron.

"Tech giants" hobble the open principles of the internet by their own existence, persistence and, by-definition, over-bearing influence.

Any entity genuinely concerned with preserving open principles would seek to limit its growth far-prior to where Google is now, and eliminate the pervasiveness of its influence, favouring and encouraging the results of diverse decentralisation over narrow centralisation.

Google and Facebook are the antithesis of everything the concept of an open internet stands for.

Re:Sundar Pichai warns of threats to internet freedom by cromwellian on Monday July 12, 2021 @07:16AM (#27809128)
If there is no open internet, there is nothing to index or organize.

If anything Apple has does more harm than anyone to the Web by pushing the idea of native apps for everything served from a closed proprietary App Store that you can’t even side load around.

Re:Sundar Pichai warns of threats to internet freedom by WA on Monday July 12, 2021 @09:15AM (#27809890)
You can index and organize billions of AMP pages.

You can index and organize the content of an intranet of every large organization.

Re:Sundar Pichai warns of threats to internet freedom by Spooky23 on Monday July 12, 2021 @04:20PM (#27814605)
> You can index and organize the content of an intranet of every large organization.

Good luck. The magic of the internet is that everything is public and interlinked.

Usually within a company the incentives are such that information is more tightly controlled. A software engineer doesn't see purchase orders and an HR specialist doesn't see software assignments. Usually a directory is more useful than a search within a company. Obviously there are exceptions.

Re:Sundar Pichai warns of threats to internet freedom by sjg007 on Monday July 12, 2021 @03:48PM (#27814245)
I've worked at several large companies and all are very bad at documenting anything.
Re:Sundar Pichai warns of threats to internet freedom by benjaminjosephw on Monday July 12, 2021 @12:39AM (#27807101)
Relying on giants to defend the interests of the rest of us mere humans sounds dangerous.
Re:Sundar Pichai warns of threats to internet freedom by nirui on Monday July 12, 2021 @02:21AM (#27807625)
But if you look around across all the industries, it is not very hard to realize that most big names that you can easily recognize were created by few giants. Giants is the norm.

A real hero knows when to resist the fear and borrow the power from the giants.

Re:Sundar Pichai warns of threats to internet freedom by argvargc on Monday July 12, 2021 @06:14AM (#27808808)
The "norm" is also... shit.

Just because it's what's "always" happened before, doesn't mean we can't do better.

This being the case is the very driving force of any innovation.

Your statement seems like defeatism wrapped in a pretty bow of faux-insight.

A tendency toward giants is also not necessarily a sustainable state of affairs.

Once technology becomes sufficiently advanced and pervasive, the window of time available for a giant to gestate, before the next giant-level disruption, inevitably shrinks to the point the system reaches an equilibrium of innovational equanimity and balance.

This is ordinary and expected, and parallels can be seen anywhere in nature.

The - relatively-brief - "time of giants" of human progress may soon be coming to a close.

Re:Sundar Pichai warns of threats to internet freedom by benjaminjosephw on Monday July 12, 2021 @03:12AM (#27807862)
Giants are more visible, I won't dispute that but I'm not sure I agree with a strategy of surrendering to them because of that fact.

I don't think we need a real hero here, we need end-user solidarity perhaps in the form of public policy and market regulation. Humans would have more freedom on the internet if corporate giants didn't.

Re:Sundar Pichai warns of threats to internet freedom by quaintdev on Monday July 12, 2021 @02:51AM (#27807785)
True. Google at least does not create walled gardens like FB. You are not even allowed to post link in comment section. That's a tactic to keep users on its own platform. Recently they have stopped allowing people to browse even browse public profiles.
Re:Sundar Pichai warns of threats to internet freedom by threatofrain on Sunday July 11, 2021 @11:49PM (#27806806)
Google also seems to be one of the few entities in the world capable of building kick-ass web apps.
Re:Sundar Pichai warns of threats to internet freedom by jaimex2 on Monday July 12, 2021 @01:07AM (#27807226)
Google also seems to be one of the few entities in the world capable of buying kick-ass startups.

Fixed it for you.

Re:Sundar Pichai warns of threats to internet freedom by quaintdev on Monday July 12, 2021 @02:48AM (#27807768)
But to buy those kick ass startups you originally have to be kick ass.
Re:Sundar Pichai warns of threats to internet freedom by pydry on Monday July 12, 2021 @05:33AM (#27808565)
Yay for google being kick ass in 2004?
Re:Sundar Pichai warns of threats to internet freedom by dmitriid on Monday July 12, 2021 @01:18AM (#27807285)
I've yet to see a single kick ass web app from Google. All of them are barely functioning slow-as-molasses slugs (or I'm jaded by the entire GCP experience).
Re:Sundar Pichai warns of threats to internet freedom by ithkuil on Monday July 12, 2021 @02:30AM (#27807675)
I recently tried https://deps.dev and was surprised by the speed. But then I realized I was no longer used to things being that fast, and it used to be normal

EDIT: typo

Re:Sundar Pichai warns of threats to internet freedom by dmitriid on Monday July 12, 2021 @03:23AM (#27807918)
> But the I realized I was no longer used to things being that fast, and it used to be normal

This. This right here.

Re:Sundar Pichai warns of threats to internet freedom by cobertos on Monday July 12, 2021 @01:41AM (#27807410)
I think this is somewhat of a more recent occurance, and possibly only GCP related. I've only had a couple GCP interactions now but all of them have gotten me to stay away from that specific portion of Google.
Re:Sundar Pichai warns of threats to internet freedom by na85 on Monday July 12, 2021 @01:30AM (#27807347)
The early (invite-only) versions of gmail were fantastic, especially given the narrower pipes we were all surfing with in those days.

It seems lately that Google has just become Yet Another Large Software Firm, with everything that that implies.

Re:Sundar Pichai warns of threats to internet freedom by _huayra_ on Monday July 12, 2021 @12:35AM (#27807087)
The one exception being any sort of chat app. Now they're going from crusty old Hangouts to Chat while plenty of other chat apps have been far more polished for a long time
Re:Sundar Pichai warns of threats to internet freedom by iratewizard on Sunday July 11, 2021 @11:36PM (#27806702)
Just like how YouTube has become a more open and free platform in their care. Or how search results have become more open and free since they dominated market share.
Re:Sundar Pichai warns of threats to internet freedom by tomc1985 on Monday July 12, 2021 @01:19AM (#27807287)
Your definition of 'open and free' smells a lot like 'built to favor commercial entities over information pages'

Most of my searches result in a wall of sales or product pages. Hardly 'open' when they turned it into glorified yellow pages

Re:Sundar Pichai warns of threats to internet freedom by pydry on Monday July 12, 2021 @05:34AM (#27808574)
I think it was sarcasm.
Re:Sundar Pichai warns of threats to internet freedom by encryptluks2 on Monday July 12, 2021 @06:03AM (#27808756)
Much like every other company, but at least I've see Google be mostly reasonable about it with a few exceptions. Much of the "deplatforming" isn't even do to Google per say but people abusing the copyright system on YouTube and many people not having adequate legal knowledge to defend themselves, or honestly just a lot of attention-seeking alt-right personality types constantly saying they are being deplatformed while they continue to use YouTube freely... Likely all one big part of a MCN pushing the same agenda.
Re:Sundar Pichai warns of threats to internet freedom by bluthund on Monday July 12, 2021 @12:34AM (#27807084)
Do you guys factor the deplatforming they do into this or are you not aware that they are heavily involved in censorship on their platforms
Re:Sundar Pichai warns of threats to internet freedom by logicchains on Monday July 12, 2021 @12:45AM (#27807125)
The person you're replying to was likely being sarcastic.
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Re:Sundar Pichai warns of threats to internet freedom by throwaways885 on Monday July 12, 2021 @10:32AM (#27810675)
Tim Pool literally has to self-censor in real-time to avoid the robot bans. It's creepy as hell and has no place in a free society (regardless if you agree with him or not).
Re:Sundar Pichai warns of threats to internet freedom by iratewizard on Monday July 12, 2021 @09:30AM (#27810048)
Let me guess... You're not a huge fan of free speech because your college professor told you it was an outdated concept WHILE still using it as a shield to spew his moronic views.
Re:Sundar Pichai warns of threats to internet freedom by echelon on Sunday July 11, 2021 @11:38PM (#27806718)
And Apple crippled the web on its locked-down as chastity iOS devices.

These companies -- all of them -- are fucking with each other. None of us matter in the end. It's all about which company can screw the other out of engagement and eyeballs.

Meanwhile Firefox, the open web, open source, right to repair, and digital ownership all wither away.

Re:Sundar Pichai warns of threats to internet freedom by musicale on Monday July 12, 2021 @12:18AM (#27807005)
> It's all about which company can screw the other out of engagement and eyeballs.

Well that is kind of how media companies compete against each other, but the key question is: is it beneficial or harmful to the public?

You could argue that Apple is acquiring users who they then lock in, sell to advertisers and developers (for a 30% cut on the App store) and monetize with service subscriptions, but you can also argue that half of Apple's profit is still from hardware sales, that apps and services are a big reason for buying that hardware, so Apple is still beholden to its hardware customers to some extent.

And Google has https://wellbeing.google as well as associated features in Android, and Apple has also implemented "screen time" tracking and limits.