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Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by oceanplexian on Thursday July 08, 2021 @10:17AM (#27772230)
The Supreme Court ruled in the 1920s that the sterilization of inmates was constitutional. The US forcibly sterilized minorities and people of color as recently as the 1970s.

While I would still prefer to live in the US, you would find by talking to Chinese citizens that they feel exactly the same way about their country. The same applies to Russians and other large nations. We are all being fed propaganda, it doesn’t matter what country you live in.

Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by Swenrekcah on Thursday July 08, 2021 @10:31AM (#27772421)
No stop it. Sure the US has problems. But what do you know, you can talk about them on this website hosted in the US.

You can protest the government. You can talk shit about the leaders. You aren't jailed or killed for any of these things in the US. And 'as recently as 1970s' is half a century ago.

I'm European btw.

Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by vimacs2 on Thursday July 08, 2021 @10:54AM (#27772734)
You can "protest" sure for a given definition of the word but the US absolutely will go after any organisation or group that plan anything beyond ineffectual picket waving.

While they might not be going full Maoist China on it's dissedents, they exercise more subtle methods to control the narrative and compromising movements as well as outright assassinations of prominent figures.

This is absolutely not unique to the US of course and this goes on in Europe as well. They're just among the most irritatingly self rightous about their imaginary respect for dissent.

Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by Swenrekcah on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:09AM (#27772941)
>They're just among the most irritatingly self rightous about their imaginary respect for dissent.

The powers that be always want to continue being. But methods matter. How many politicians in the US or Europe have been poisoned by the state in the last decade? Don't you think there are politicians that the government would rather didn't exist? Yet they don't kill them or fabricate charges.

It is ridiculous to compare liberal democracies with autocratic regimes.

But it is true that we really need to keep our guard up to retain our liberal democracies, they are being attacked form within as well as outside.

Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by vimacs2 on Thursday July 08, 2021 @05:10PM (#27777651)
>Yet they don't kill them or fabricate charges.

While I cannot disconfirm the former (though there have certainly been some high profile cases with fishy circumstances- such as JFK), what about the Russiagate nonsense with Trump? I might hate him but the manchurian candidate theory was transparently bs from the very beginning, even before the investigation that proved it. He's certainly not the first politican that this line was used on and will probably not be the last. It seems to be a bipartisan thing to simultaneously shift focus of the public from national level corruption in favour of a foreign bogeyman and simultaneously slander opponents.

In a so called representative democracy, you do not need to outright murder or imprison your opponents to enforce control, you simply either have to relegate them to irrelevance through skewed or absent corporate media coverage or buy them out. See Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard, Andrew Yang, early Nancy Peloski, AOC, etc.

The tactics might differ from a transparently autocratic regime but the intentions are the same, and the end result is not really as different as liberals like to paint it. For all the unpopular politicians that are allowed to continue, there is police violence, surveillance, torture, imprisonment, and outright assasinations of prominent figures in activist groups. Then there is what they get up to outside the confines of US citizenship and borders.

Look at the state of Bolivia, Columbia, most of Central and Southern America actually. They have death squads from paramilitary groups backed by US multinational companies for the sole purpose of brutally putting down any attempts at collective bargaining or real democracy. Just because it's not visible in your backyard doesn't mean your country is not responsible for that mess.

Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by dragonwriter on Thursday July 08, 2021 @05:23PM (#27777776)
> I might hate him but the manchurian candidate theory was transparently bs from the very beginning, even before the investigation that proved it.

The collusion allegations were not a Manchurian candidate theory and were never disproven by any investigation. (To the contrary, prior to being pardoned by Trump, several people either plead guilty or were convicted at trial for lies to investigators the key substance of which was falsely denying active actual ot attempted coordination with Russian state actors by Trump campaign officials.) The story that Trump was somehow exonerated is itself a propaganda story from the Trump camp that waa deliberately facilitated by AG Barr’s deliberate distortion of the Mueller investigation findings.

> He's certainly not the first politican that this line was used on and will probably not be the last.

He's definitely not the first politician to actively seek foreign assistance against domestic political opposition, nor the first to be sloppy enough that it gets noticed in time for it to be used against him (see, e.g., Louis XVI of France.)

Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by Swenrekcah on Thursday July 08, 2021 @07:24PM (#27778828)
Mueller’s report did not exonerate Trump. That was a lie spun by Bill Barr.

Mueller specifically did not make a statement on it because he determined it to be Congress’ job and especially because he did not want to put up an appearance of political prosecution.

He left it to Republicans in Congress to do the right thing but they failed to do so.

Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by vimacs2 on Friday July 09, 2021 @10:16AM (#27783883)
>He left it to Republicans in Congress to do the right thing but they failed to do so.

This is the fallback excuse Democrats always play when they either don't really want to implement something (such as a $15 minimum wage) or they know they don't really have a leg to stand on - blame the Republicans. Same excuse made by Obama and the same excuse now being made by Biden.

When you have decades of experience dealing with a political opponent that has proven time and time again to be acting in bad faith, defering to their sense of decorem and morality is being complicit in their actions in my eyes.

And no, it did not exonerate Trump. He's obviously corrupt to the bone but the specific angle was significant Russian interference and Mueller completely failed to substantiate it. It's also worth noting that despite the media making a big song and dance around Trump meetings with Putin, the actual policies during his administration were significantly more adversarial towards Russian economic interests than Biden's administration has been so far.

Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by sangnoir on Thursday July 08, 2021 @01:04PM (#27774833)
> And 'as recently as 1970s' is half a century ago.

So, you're telling me the victims are still alive? 50 years is not a long time

Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by matheusmoreira on Thursday July 08, 2021 @03:49PM (#27776802)
Martin Luther King was tailed by the CIA during his activities.
Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by atatatat on Thursday July 08, 2021 @10:36AM (#27772490)
> You aren't jailed or killed for any of these things in the US.

Someone has some reading to do.......

Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by i_haz_rabies on Thursday July 08, 2021 @10:41AM (#27772563)
Can you provide some reading for me that argues that the United States has jailed or killed political dissidents on anything approaching the same scale as the Chinese Communist "Tiananmen" Party?
Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by Swenrekcah on Thursday July 08, 2021 @10:52AM (#27772712)
Since the comparison was with Russia and China I could also have added that you can run for office in the US on harsh criticism of the government and with a realistic chance of success without being poisoned or imprisoned.
Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by atatatat on Thursday July 08, 2021 @01:46PM (#27775460)
> the same scale

Don't hurt yourself moving those goalposts.

Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by ixacto on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:34AM (#27773291)
Yes the United States sterilized people involuntarily up until 1981 (Oregon board of eugenics). That was 40 years ago, in Xi’s China it is still happening today. There has been some repetitions paid, and it is unlikely this would happen in the United States today.

The United States and China are nothing alike. Try flying a Winnie the Pooh blimp (makes fun of China’s leader) in China and see how long before that gets shut down. We can also freely talk about what is going on in China/HK/TW/wugiwers here, where such speech would be prohibited in China.

Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by i_haz_rabies on Thursday July 08, 2021 @10:33AM (#27772439)
The difference is that most Americans are ashamed of those parts of their history.
Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by tomjen3 on Thursday July 08, 2021 @10:51AM (#27772691)
The 1970 were 50 years ago, and as you pointed out that was when the practice ended. China is doing these things now.