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Re:Haiti’s President Is Assassinated by thisiscorrect on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @11:08AM (#27761979)
Murdering infants is barbaric. It's impossible to corroborate now, but many reports at the time suggested they used impaled French infants for a battle standard. I don't have a word strong enough to condemn that depravity. "That's what you get from revolutions by slaves, bro." comes across as extremely flippant. Slavery is wrong. Murdering innocent people is also wrong, bro.
Re:Haiti’s President Is Assassinated by mustafa_pasi on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @11:27AM (#27762193)
Singling out acts of violence to try to say that both sides are equally evil or that one side is more moral because of that one act of evil is stupid.

The greater picture is this: Haitians were slaves and had every right to fight against their oppression. The "white Europeans" belonged back home in France. They brought it on themselves.

I always like to use this thought experiment: which of the two sides had power to change the situation?

The Haitians couldn't help being slaves until they rebelled. The French could from the very start choose not to be slavers.

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Re:Haiti’s President Is Assassinated by the_af on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @12:09PM (#27762709)
Who brought the black Haitians to Haiti? Did they stay there voluntarily during white European rule?

Details matter.

Re:Haiti’s President Is Assassinated by concordDance on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @12:50PM (#27763189)
I don't see how being brought to Haiti matters. Imagine some white settlers brought as children who have just become young adults. Do they need to go back to France?
Re:Haiti’s President Is Assassinated by the_af on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @01:39PM (#27763762)
> I don't see how being brought to Haiti matters

It does matter if they were brought as slaves and against their will, and made by force to call Haiti their home. I hope you see the difference between this and the children the settlers brought with them. Comparing children to slavery is nonsense.

Re:Haiti’s President Is Assassinated by mustafa_pasi on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @01:03PM (#27763347)
The point is not that they were in Haiti. The point is that they were engaging in slavery, and they had the freedom not to.

I was not making any statements on settler colonialism which is a separate issue entirely. I was just saying, the French cannot claim be victims when they were the ones engaging in slavery.

Re:Haiti’s President Is Assassinated by markus_zhang on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @11:14AM (#27762046)
Let's say when you do wrong X to someone, it's quite possible that they return the "favor" someday. I don't know what we are arguing here. Are they evil? For sure, but do you really expect them to be gentlemen revolutionaries who only kill those "should be killed"?

Actually Europeans did the same in not so long ago, not as slaves, but as slavers (or some more fancy words), so people can go down much further IMHO.

Re:Haiti’s President Is Assassinated by ceejayoz on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @11:29AM (#27762222)
> many reports at the time suggested they used impaled French infants for a battle standard

Sure, and the Soviets claimed the Katyn massacre was perpetrated by the Nazis.

Consider sprinkling a few grains of salt on contemporary accounts by interested parties.