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Re:Psilocybin repairs 'brains cells damaged by depression' i... by Trasmatta on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @01:17AM (#27757668)
For anyone else reading this and considering it -- you really need to be careful before recommending this for someone with depression. If they are not prepared for the experience it can be deeply destabilizing. Bad trips are real. Shroom tea is generally very strong too.

It absolutely can work for depression sometimes, just be careful and intentional, and don't just talk somebody into it who may not be ready for it.

Re:Psilocybin repairs 'brains cells damaged by depression' i... by saltyfamiliar on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @02:08AM (#27757928)
A "microdose" is enough to alleviate symptoms of depression without risking one's psychological stability. There is really no need to take more than ~0.5 grams of cubensis unless the goal is deep insight/profound experience.

I completely disagree with the term "microdosing" though. I think this should be considered a standard dosage. Nobody calls a few ml's of cough syrup a "microdose" just because half a liter can cause euphoria, disorientation, etc. Calling this amount of mushroom a "microdose" only furthers the impression that psilocybin is a primarily recreational substance.

Re:Psilocybin repairs 'brains cells damaged by depression' i... by acituan on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @06:02AM (#27759330)
> A "microdose" is enough to alleviate symptoms of depression without risking one's psychological stability.

Not only the body weight of the person is going to matter, yields of active substance varies heavily and there is no consensus on what a microdose is. Cut-off can be as low as 0.2 grams.

Psychedelic use is correlated with an increase in neuroticism though, and not as a function of the badness of the trip. Plus in a susceptible person even 0.5g can trigger a first psychotic episode.

I find such claims of safety unfoundedly bold and honestly irresponsible.

Re:Psilocybin repairs 'brains cells damaged by depression' i... by Pilottwave on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @07:00AM (#27759617)
One of the problems is that most people don't know they are susceptible and only find out after. It's a dice roll without some kind of ability to do a screening.
Re:Psilocybin repairs 'brains cells damaged by depression' i... by jk888 on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @01:25PM (#27763586)
But no studies have proven so far that microdosing is even effective at all.
Re:Psilocybin repairs 'brains cells damaged by depression' i... by Broken_Hippo on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @04:35AM (#27758781)
Are you under the impression that it isn't primarily a recreational substance?
Re:Psilocybin repairs 'brains cells damaged by depression' i... by container on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @05:03AM (#27758960)
If you plot out all usage globally, recreational use is probably going to be the most common case. However, being recreational is not a property of the substance itself, so the term you both were using is misleading in that sense.
Re:Psilocybin repairs 'brains cells damaged by depression' i... by armatav on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @05:24AM (#27759113)
Are you under the impression that a substances effects are somehow mediated by their legality?
Re:Psilocybin repairs 'brains cells damaged by depression' i... by Broken_Hippo on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @09:40AM (#27760990)
Not at all. I just realize that these are primarily used for recreation. It could change - I mean, look at cocaine - and it can be both (opiates, for example).
Re:Psilocybin repairs 'brains cells damaged by depression' i... by armatav on Saturday July 10, 2021 @08:55PM (#27797647)
Fair enough.

Cocaine is both too, by the way, stops intra-nasal bleeding post-op.

Re:Psilocybin repairs 'brains cells damaged by depression' i... by pmoriarty on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @01:40AM (#27757795)
Completely agree that it's not for everyone, and that those that do try it should thoroughly (and I mean really thoroughly) educate themselves on what they're getting themselves in to and how to maximize their chances of having a good experience. For this I'd recommend "The Psychedelic Explorer's Guide"[1] by James Fadiman as a good start. Erowid[2] and PsychonautWiki[3] are good for experience reports and reference.

People with pre-existing health and psychiatric conditions, and young people should be doubly careful. The physical and sometimes psychological effects of some substances can be dangerous, especially when mixed with other drugs (alcohol is a particularly bad one to mix with).

Psilocybin mushrooms are some of the safest psychedelics around, but at the very least be absolutely sure you got the right kind (have them identified by experts or grow your own)... and starting with lower doses, in a good set and setting, with someone more experienced than you who you like and trust is prudent. Have some quiet days to integrate the experience afterwards, maybe with a therapist.

[1] - https://www.amazon.com/Psychedelic-Explorers-Guide-Therapeut...

[2] - https://erowid.org

[3] - https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page

Re:Psilocybin repairs 'brains cells damaged by depression' i... by hutzlibu on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @04:57AM (#27758913)
"People with pre-existing health and psychiatric conditions, and young people should be doubly careful. "

And since we are talking about "depressed" people, that should qualify as a preexisting psychiatric condition.

The problem is, in most places there are no professional therapists avaiable who can (legally) work with mushrooms. And really, long term depressed persons, often have no one around, they can prepare a trip with.

Re:Psilocybin repairs 'brains cells damaged by depression' i... by pmoriarty on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @06:54AM (#27759573)
"in most places there are no professional therapists avaiable who can (legally) work with mushrooms."

Despite that, there are underground therapists who will do just that.. and even licensed therapists will sometimes do so. Discretely ask around and you might be pleasantly surprised.

"really, long term depressed persons, often have no one around, they can prepare a trip with."

There are free, online trip sitters that you can contact here:

https://tripsit.me/

and

http://wiki.tripsit.me

Re:Psilocybin repairs 'brains cells damaged by depression' i... by petercooper on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @06:57AM (#27759594)
The problem is, in most places there are no professional therapists avaiable who can (legally) work with mushrooms.

This is the real sadness to me. So many people seem to start dabbling in various forms of drugs as a way to ail their problems, and if there were qualified people who could help with that (beyond merely dishing out the typical SSRIs, benzos or stimulants) I think a lot of good could be done.

Re:Psilocybin repairs 'brains cells damaged by depression' i... by myrandomcomment on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @12:59PM (#27763306)
To be clear, this was well planned, in a safe environment, at dusk sitting on the back acre with family and friends and a small dose with constant communication.

These type of drugs have been shown time and time again to be massively effective in treating depression, anxiety and PTSD. It is a crime that ultra conservative socialty morals have prevented a more in depth study of their use. The fact of the matter is we treat our vets with a cocktail of drugs for PTSD that have major side effects and provide little relief. It was my experience and the experience of serval people I know that had PTSD that the use of magic mushrooms provided a substantial and sustained relief.

Re:Psilocybin repairs 'brains cells damaged by depression' i... by Milner08 on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @04:29AM (#27758750)
This is critical. You cant/shouldn't just go out on a whim and take shrooms. Either find someone who knows what they're doing and can walk you through it or do your own research and take it slow. Know how much your taking (as best you can) and don't over do it first time. Bad trips _suck_ and aren't going to help anyone.
Re:Psilocybin repairs 'brains cells damaged by depression' i... by denkmoon on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @02:07AM (#27757924)
Set and Setting folks.
Re:Psilocybin repairs 'brains cells damaged by depression' i... by wavefunction on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @02:45AM (#27758113)
They should probably be taking a sub-threshold dose anyways. The effects are the same and there's no risk of strong hallucinations.
Re:Psilocybin repairs 'brains cells damaged by depression' i... by mylons on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @01:34AM (#27757766)
thank you for posting this.