Re:“I wish I could have licensed the Id source code releases...
by PoignardAzur on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @04:58AM
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I don't see how. Working as intended would be "And then the gamedev landscape is dominated by open-source tools because you can't make closed-source tools in-house without giving up on the ecosystem." This is very much not the case today, the market is dominated by closed-source engines (sorry Godot).
Seeing as that scenario didn't come to pass, the only result is a net loss of games that could have been made (or made cheaper) by reusing Carmack's code and instead weren't. Maybe some of these games would have been proprietary, but it's still a net loss that they weren't made at all.
Re:“I wish I could have licensed the Id source code releases...
by malka on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @06:13AM
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I m sure it is a net loss for people who could have benefited from free work indeed.
Re:“I wish I could have licensed the Id source code releases...
by scrollaway on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @06:38AM
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I don't think you understand Gp's point that this in turn results in a net loss for everyone else.
Re:“I wish I could have licensed the Id source code releases...
by malka on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @07:03AM
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People are not entitled to games created by free work. So it is not a 'net' loss.
Re:“I wish I could have licensed the Id source code releases...
by scrollaway on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @08:11AM
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Not entitled? Correct. Not a loss? Incorrect.
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Re:“I wish I could have licensed the Id source code releases...
by scrollaway on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @08:38AM
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Ok, Im flagging your comments, you clearly have no interest in a real discussion and are resorting to troll bait.
Re:“I wish I could have licensed the Id source code releases...
by nmz on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @06:33PM
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They are if the license allows for it.
Re:“I wish I could have licensed the Id source code releases...
by benhurmarcel on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @07:27AM
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> for people who could have benefited
Users?
Re:“I wish I could have licensed the Id source code releases...
by nivenkos on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @05:17AM
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I guess his point is that the we haven't seen a big community fork of the code with FOSS games being released, etc.
There's been a handful, but nothing like the flurry of Unity games, etc.
Re:“I wish I could have licensed the Id source code releases...
by rvnx on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @04:41AM
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It doesn't solve the issue.
GPL people would have taken the BSD code, do a minor change, and force everyone to redistribute the source-code under GPL.
Really terrible license.
Re:“I wish I could have licensed the Id source code releases...
by ivanbakel on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @05:49AM
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What is the exact scenario you're against? If GPL changes are added to a BSD codebase, it's still possible to use the BSD part of the code under the terms of that license. The GPL doesn't "infect" the rest of the work, either in the present or historically. You aren't "forced" to re-distribute the source code unless you want to use the GPL changes - which is just how copyright works in the first place.
Re:“I wish I could have licensed the Id source code releases...
by markus92 on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @05:01AM
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They'd only own the copyright on the minor change so can't force everyone to use GPL on all of the code.
Re:“I wish I could have licensed the Id source code releases...
by fazgl on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @07:15AM
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This occurs very rarely and provokes a loud counter reaction from the BSD people.
Re:“I wish I could have licensed the Id source code releases...
by donkeybeer on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @01:24PM
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It seems such bsd people then don't believe in the power granted by the bsd license to others using it as they wish to. Ironically. May I suggest GPL for their next project?
Re:“I wish I could have licensed the Id source code releases...
by nmz on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @06:35PM
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Whining is not illegal, if you can whine about a license change, you should.
Re:“I wish I could have licensed the Id source code releases...
by donkeybeer on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @11:46PM
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But by the very act of making their code bsd, they have removed any valid excuse to whine. Anything that happens is just a natural consequence of their decision: whether that be someone making bank on your code without giving you any of the changes back or GPL projects GPLifying a fork of you.
Well, that's the point. GPL is working as intented.