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Re:Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data... by hinkley on Monday July 05, 2021 @11:53PM (#27744081)
I’m only here because I don’t understand why you would say 8 million terabytes instead of 8 exabytes.
Re:Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data... by whoknew1122 on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @08:59AM (#27747903)
Because terabytes is a good frame of reference for most computer users. I get paid well to work in the computer space and if I saw 8 exabytes, I'd have to consult a chart/list to just determine how much that is.

Most people don't know what an exabyte is. That's why you frame the amount of data in an amount of data (terabyte) that people know.

Re:Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data... by pmontra on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @01:21AM (#27744493)
Same reason for we say 1000 km instead of 1 Mm, or Sun to Earth 150 M km instead of 150 Gm. Some units are usual in some contexts, some are not. In one word, habits.
Re:Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data... by jobigoud on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @03:20AM (#27745137)
I've been trying to spread the use of megametre as a common distance unit. I think it's very appropriate to talk about distances between large cities.
Re:Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data... by bootlooped on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @08:44AM (#27747713)
Not to mention the most unloved metric prefixes, deci and Deca. When have you ever heard someone use those?
Re:Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data... by mrob on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @10:01AM (#27748673)
Those prefixes are bad because they break the 10^(3n) pattern. centi and hecto are also bad for the same reason. Most calculators have an "engineering" mode which only uses the good prefixes, because it's easier to think about prefixes when the ratios between them are consistent.
Re:Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data... by pmontra on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @06:39PM (#27755278)
Centimeters are pretty common. Rulers are marked with cm and mm. We use mostly m and cm inside houses. A door width? 90 cm. A door height 2 meters and 10.

And don't forget cubic centimeters (or cc) for engines. Anything from 2000 cc down to 50 cc is very common east of the Atlantic Ocean.

Re:Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data... by karatinversion on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @09:39AM (#27748356)
Decilitre is pretty common in recipes in my neck of the woods
Re:Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data... by cghendrix on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @08:59AM (#27747906)
Decathlon?
Re:Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data... by hinkley on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @11:46AM (#27750086)
Them why is t my hard drive four million kilobytes? We already crossed this bridge with gigabytes, and the course was laid in with terabytes, which I first heard in a business setting over 20 years ago, when that was still a rack of hard disks. Cloud providers and the LHC brought us petabytes, and that was over ten years ago. The “oh by the way the next unit is ‘exabyte’” conversations started around the same time.
Re:Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data... by kryptozinc on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @03:08PM (#27752958)
because people on HN like to get pedantic about stuff that is not really relevant to the discussion topic.
Re:Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data... by sellyme on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @01:32AM (#27744537)
> Same reason for we say 1000 km instead of 1 Mm

Speak for yourself, I've been trying to popularise "1Mm" for years. Admittedly not with a huge amount of success.

> or Sun to Earth 150 M km instead of 150 Gm

Surely "1 AU" is the preferred form for this one.

Re:Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data... by hanche on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @02:14AM (#27744765)
I’ve been using Mm too, but only when I have a reasonable expectation that it will be understood. IOW, rarely.

But also, I still have the Earth–Moon distance internalized as 385000 km, not 385 Mm, since that is what I learned as a kid.

But stating the Sun–Earth distance as 1 AU is just a tautology, restating the definition, and hence void of information. I suspect you’re jesting. ;-)

Re:Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data... by sellyme on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @02:21AM (#27744808)
> I’ve been using Mm too, but only when I have a reasonable expectation that it will be understood. IOW, rarely.

Yeah, I mainly only use it in chats (where I can immediately explain it if needed) or in person (where the actual pronunciation of "megametres" makes it pretty obvious). "Mm" and "Gm" being somewhat difficult to google due to "mm" and "gm" being different SI units makes it untenable to just expect people to work it out on their own.

> But stating the Sun–Earth distance as 1 AU is just a tautology, restating the definition, and hence void of information. I suspect you’re jesting. ;-)

To be clear, I don't mean that you'd answer "1 AU" if someone asked you how far away the sun was - obviously that's completely worthless information! The discussion was just on what units and prefixes are used for various magnitudes of measurement, and the AU is a fantastic unit to use for things that would otherwise be measured in hundreds of gigametres. For example, if you had a table containing the distances between various celestial bodies, it would be very convenient to have "Sun <-> Earth: 1 AU" in there along with things like "Sun <-> Mars: 1.5 AU".

Re:Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data... by snypher on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @01:59AM (#27744659)
If someone was to ask me how far is was from sun to earth, and I answered 1AU, and they asked what an AU was?

The point would be to put it in a familiar unit, even though '150 million' isn't easy to visualize.

Re:Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data... by sellyme on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @02:09AM (#27744728)
> If someone was to ask me how far is was from sun to earth, and I answered 1AU, and they asked what an AU was?

You'd probably do the same thing that you would do if they asked what a km was: keep changing the units until you get one that they recognise, and then now they can understand the original unit you used.

(Although in this specific case given that they're asking about the definition of the unit you'd probably provide that context without needing further prompting in the first place, similar to if they asked about the circumference of the earth and you gave an answer in metres)

Re:Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data... by purplecats on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @02:08AM (#27744725)
pretty sure it was a joke
Re:Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data... by sellyme on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @02:12AM (#27744749)
Not a joke, the AU is a pretty common unit of measurement when talking about distances too large for metres and too small for light-years, especially since it's based on one of the most widely understood astronomical distances. Of course using it to describe the distance it's derived from is more than a little tautological, but that wasn't too important in the context of discussing magnitude prefixes.

It's roughly the same thing as describing a distant potentially-habitable planet as being "1.5 times the size of Earth" instead of giving its radius in metres. It's just that AUs wrap that "n times the distance between the sun and the earth" into a nice standardised unit.

Re:Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data... by purplecats on Wednesday July 07, 2021 @02:28AM (#27758017)
...thus making it tautological and extremely pertinent given the context
Re:Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data... by kergonath on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @02:07AM (#27744711)
> Surely "1 AU" is the preferred form for this one.

Everybody knows it’s 4.848×10^12 attoprsecs.

Re:Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data... by SilasX on Monday July 05, 2021 @11:57PM (#27744095)
People use "terabytes" a lot (on the order of the size of a desktop hard drive), they don't use petabytes or exabytes.
Re:Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data... by SilverRed on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @12:31AM (#27744233)
Petabytes is a common unit for company scale data but I guess people reading random tech news aren't familiar with it yet.

It's also way beyond what we use in other units. Gigalitre is the biggest SI prefix I have seen outside of bytes.

Re:Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data... by hanche on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @02:16AM (#27744782)
Petagrams (Pg) is commonly used in climate science. I always wondered why they don’t write it as Gt instead.

But gigalitre? Surely, calling them cubic kilometres (edit: should be hm³, see followup comments) would be preferable?

Re:Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data... by azalemeth on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @03:19AM (#27745127)
One of my favourite SI units that is used in climate science is the Sverdrup, often used to describe oceanic or river flows, which is a million cubic metres per second, or one cubic hectometer per second. (1)

(1) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sverdrup

Re:Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data... by bluenose69 on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @05:40AM (#27746045)
The Sverdrup unit is tolerated because Harald Sverdrup made many key contributions to the science of Oceanography.

He was also a high-level administrator who had a super-power that few administrators have: he understood science as well as people.

And, to top it all off, the book he coauthored with Johnson and Fleming is widely regarded as the foundational document in the field of modern Oceanography.

There is so much to say about Harald Sverdrup that students quickly become comfortable with the occasional use of "Sv" as an abbreviation for 10^6m^3/s.

Re:Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data... by jhgb on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @05:17AM (#27745884)
Re:Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data... by hanche on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @03:25AM (#27745167)
Non-SI according to Wikipedia, but yeah …
Re:Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data... by nlclimber on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @02:58AM (#27745010)
No, a gigalitre equals a cubic hectometer.
Re:Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data... by hanche on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @03:09AM (#27745065)
Oops, you’re right. I think I accidentally squared 1000 instead of cubing it when converting between km³ and m³. Which only goes to show why units can be hard. In the interest of using coherent units, I wish there were a named unit equalling one cubic metre, all the better for attaching prefixes to.
Re:Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data... by Robotbeat on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @12:49AM (#27744321)
I’ve seen Terawatt and Petawatt.
Re:Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data... by mdoms on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @12:13AM (#27744169)
Because an average reader knows what a terabyte because it's a common hard drive size. The typical reader doesn't know how to think about exabytes.
Re:Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data... by serf on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @12:23AM (#27744209)
people deal with social media images and text more often than buying hard drives -- and that's (generally) handled in kilobytes.

my take : it's because numbers with lots of digits sell clicks easier -- up until scientific notation is needed, and then at that point the general readership can't fathom the number and generally doesn't care.

in other words, I bet 8,000,000 terabytes produces more clicks than '8 exabytes' and '6.4 x 10^19 bits' would have.

If I had been born a new-age journalist i'd have gone with 8,000,000,000,000 megabytes -- but only if that fit in the link/URL slug and headline for maximum click-bait exposure.

Re:Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data... by cratermoon on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @12:46AM (#27744307)
How about "8 station wagons full of tapes"?
Re:Apple Reportedly Storing over 8M Terabytes of iCloud Data... by nlclimber on Tuesday July 06, 2021 @03:14AM (#27745089)
Ireland covered in 3.5’’ HD floppy disks.