Re:Hydrogen fuel cell cars (2020)
by natmaka on Monday July 05, 2021 @11:00AM
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Efficiency is not really a concern if hydrogen is "produced" during peaks of some "sources" (mainly solar, wind): the surplus of energy, which today is a burden, will be used to obtain hydrogen. Producing hydrogen may solve the "intermittence" challenge.
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Charging batteries with solar and wind is much more efficient than producing hydrogen. Why would you not charge batteries during peaks?
Re:Hydrogen fuel cell cars (2020)
by new_realist on Monday July 05, 2021 @11:14AM
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Because batteries are laughably costly for long term energy storage. Itβs not even close; batteries will never be used for anything but short term storage.
Untrue - long-term energy storage options are being targeted by deep pocketed capital. E.g. Form Energy and Vanadium technologies.
LiON batteries can't do seasonal though - short term only.
Re:Hydrogen fuel cell cars (2020)
by theshrike79 on Monday July 05, 2021 @11:26AM
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Hydrogen is a good choice for storing peak power from renewables.
Distributing all that highly flammable high pressure blow-up juice around the world for consumer use is another matter.
Its a fantasy to believe that anybody would install such and absurd amount of access wind and solar that it could both cover the low production times and enough to export for use in vehicles.
That simply not economical.
In fact several technologies are more likely to be used then hydrogen for grid storage.
Re:Hydrogen fuel cell cars (2020)
by clouddrover on Monday July 05, 2021 @05:29PM
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> Its a fantasy to believe that anybody would install such and absurd amount of access wind and solar
Fantasy becomes reality:
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190327-the-tiny-islands...
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-56279...
This would indeed be ambitious, however when considering that it is possible (the primary sources potential is adequate), that it will solve problems related to fuel reserves, and also a fair part of challenges related to NIMBY, overcentralization, capital intensity, pollution, waste disposal, decommission... it may (overall) be our best approach.
I was writing about a less ambitious plan, which simply aims at storing the energy produced by solar/wind powerplants during peak production periods.