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Re:John Lewis slams UK education system and offers staff lit... by ceilingcorner on Sunday July 04, 2021 @05:46AM (#27728433)
You are misunderstanding the concept of literacy here. It doesn’t mean “reads slang fan fiction on Twitter”, it means “reads exemplary works of art created throughout history.”

I doubt the average young person even knows that Homer is the author of the Iliad and not a character on The Simpson’s.

Re:John Lewis slams UK education system and offers staff lit... by ck425 on Sunday July 04, 2021 @06:04AM (#27728512)
Why should reading the Iliad be our standard for literacy? Our standard should be can they apply for jobs, understand bills, understand basic contracts for housing and jobs, read food and drug packaging etc. Those are the things that allow people to successfully navigate modern life.
Re:John Lewis slams UK education system and offers staff lit... by ceilingcorner on Sunday July 04, 2021 @06:09AM (#27728527)
If the goal is just to pump out functional proles, then sure, we only need the absolute basics.

If the goal is to provide meaning and purpose to life, to build creative thinkers capable of pushing humanity forward, then reading the high points of human civilization is probably important.

Re:John Lewis slams UK education system and offers staff lit... by ck425 on Sunday July 04, 2021 @06:22AM (#27728573)
I don't disagree that they're important but they're clearly of secondary importance to the literacy skills that allow people to function in society.

We don't need just the absolute basics but we definitely need the absolute basics first. And atm it seems like we're putting a large emphasis on the skills you're promoting but largely failing on the basics.

This exacerbated due to many people who (understandable) struggle with the 'high points of society' thinking that they're stupid and thus dismissing their own abilities before they master the basics.

Re:John Lewis slams UK education system and offers staff lit... by jimnotgym on Sunday July 04, 2021 @07:09AM (#27728806)
Are you suggesting that this is what John Lewis is looking for, someone who read the classics? It may be true, but that is not what I understood from the article.
Re:John Lewis slams UK education system and offers staff lit... by nmca on Sunday July 04, 2021 @05:47AM (#27728439)
You, and not OP, are mistaken. Literate here means C+ grade in English language, not literature.
Re:John Lewis slams UK education system and offers staff lit... by ceilingcorner on Sunday July 04, 2021 @05:51AM (#27728458)
These are linked. Students don’t have basic language skills because they don’t engage with exemplary works. If your only input is “Twitter speak and memes” then it’s not surprising that no one can communicate intelligently.
Re:John Lewis slams UK education system and offers staff lit... by msg3 on Sunday July 04, 2021 @06:03AM (#27728511)
Being able to read "exemplary works" is a really strange and narrow definition of literate.

I also have to disagree that "twitter speak and memes" is not intelligent communication -- just because something is new, doesn't mean it's less intelligent.

Re:John Lewis slams UK education system and offers staff lit... by mrob on Sunday July 04, 2021 @06:08AM (#27728522)
Engaging with exemplary works mostly improves your ability to appreciate exemplary works. Children don't start out with that ability, so unsurprisingly they are not keen on reading them. There's an argument that we should force them to read them anyway, but that's for promotion of culture, not functional literacy.

If we want them to read safety notices correctly then we're better off teaching J. K. Rowling than Shakespeare.

Re:John Lewis slams UK education system and offers staff lit... by ceilingcorner on Sunday July 04, 2021 @06:11AM (#27728532)
> Engaging with exemplary works mostly improves your ability to appreciate exemplary works.

No, it helps you gain a richer understanding of the universe and your human place in it.

Re:John Lewis slams UK education system and offers staff lit... by mrob on Sunday July 04, 2021 @06:13AM (#27728541)
When I was in school, they taught astronomy in physics class.
Re:John Lewis slams UK education system and offers staff lit... by ceilingcorner on Sunday July 04, 2021 @06:16AM (#27728554)
Another benefit of artistic/literary courses is that you learn about concepts like "metaphors" and "figures of speech."
Re:John Lewis slams UK education system and offers staff lit... by UK-Al05 on Sunday July 04, 2021 @12:15PM (#27730739)
This is for John Lewis sales assistants. I don't think they're expecting people well versed in Greek literature.
Re:John Lewis slams UK education system and offers staff lit... by 7952 on Sunday July 04, 2021 @07:44AM (#27728952)
It also means "read Harry Potter". I wonder how many of these kids got to that stage.