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Re:A woman's battle to prove she isn't dead by rootusrootus on Saturday July 03, 2021 @10:52PM (#27726892)
It doesn't seem like it should be that hard. We do it routinely. My kids have passports, and what did they have to prove they were alive and who I claimed them to be? Their birth certificate, and a sworn statement by me.

It should be fairly simple to get an equivalent. A sworn statement by her husband, perhaps. Her mother, if still alive. Or heck, by now there might be biological records that can be matched up (e.g. dental).

This should be a fairly easy procedural fix.

Re:A woman's battle to prove she isn't dead by brendoelfrendo on Saturday July 03, 2021 @11:23PM (#27726995)
Well, consider: someone who is documented as dead appears with a birth certificate. Do you a) assume that this person is the (presumably) deceased person, or b) assume that a living person is trying to steal a deceased person's identity?

The problem is that we're really poorly equipped to handle problems of identity. It's hard to prove that you are you, absent documentation. Documentation usually issued by a government, or by a private agency on behalf of a government. And if that government thinks you're dead, well, all that documentation is worth about as much as the paper it's printed on.

Short of, say, a dental, medical or DNA match, then yeah, this is a really hard procedural fix.

Re:A woman's battle to prove she isn't dead by hansvm on Sunday July 04, 2021 @01:19AM (#27727405)
> Well, consider: someone who is documented as dead appears with a birth certificate. Do you a) assume that this person is the (presumably) deceased person, or b) assume that a living person is trying to steal a deceased person's identity?

The fact that they're dead hardly seems relevant. Right now today you can give my birth state $20 and pinky promise that you're me, and they'll mail my birth certificate to any shady shell company you choose. You can bootstrap that document into the rest of my identity. If that's the standard of evidence for impersonating living people I don't know why we'd go through so many hoops to make impersonating dead people hard.

Re:A woman's battle to prove she isn't dead by pixl97 on Sunday July 04, 2021 @11:24AM (#27730344)
In cases where the living person exists they can chime up (at least in the typical cases) that someone is stealing there identity. In the dead person case, the dead person cant testify on their own behalf.
Re:A woman's battle to prove she isn't dead by arp242 on Sunday July 04, 2021 @01:16AM (#27727397)
The thing is, it's one thing to have a hard procedure to correct an erroneously issued "death": "You need evidence A, B, and C". This might be hard, but okay, fair enough.

But in this case, it seems there is no procedure at all. She is never asked for evidence A, B, and C. She's essentially asking "this is an error, what can I do to fix it?" and the answer is essentially "nothing."

Re:A woman's battle to prove she isn't dead by tharkun__ on Sunday July 04, 2021 @12:25AM (#27727216)
Yep exactly. That's why I mentioned the country :)

As the in-between poster mentioned, he routinely does it with his kids. I presume he's in a country where this is easier then. That's why I mentioned France vs. being somewhere else.

Here in Canada I could believe for example that this might be easier (though I have nothing but conjecture). I say that because I do know that getting your papers for the very first time "all" you need is for two persons that are already Canadian citizens to affidavit that they've known you for at least 2 years (IIRC) and that they think you are who you claim you are. On top of like your birth certificate. But thats not necessarily Canadian and not sure how much that can or will be checked.

I know from some colleague who is Vietnamese, born somewhere in China while fleeing, who had no birth certificate and doesn't know his actual birth day (just roughly the year), never mind where he was born exactly. When he wanted to do something that required a birth certificate a Chinese co-worker offered to "talk to a guy" and "get him a birth certificate".

I presume France lies on the other end of the spectrum :)

Re:A woman's battle to prove she isn't dead by pteraspidomorph on Saturday July 03, 2021 @11:36PM (#27727050)
EU countries have real ID with biometrics though...
Re:A woman's battle to prove she isn't dead by thefounder on Sunday July 04, 2021 @12:04AM (#27727148)
I believe biometrics were required only recently.
Re:A woman's battle to prove she isn't dead by rebuilder on Sunday July 04, 2021 @12:25AM (#27727218)
It's been a requirement longer than the three years this woman has been officually dead. Of course, perhaps she didn't have a passport before
Re:A woman's battle to prove she isn't dead by brendoelfrendo on Sunday July 04, 2021 @01:04AM (#27727350)
From the article, she found out she was dead when she tried to get a passport.
Re:A woman's battle to prove she isn't dead by rebuilder on Sunday July 04, 2021 @03:07PM (#27731869)
Yes. EU passports are valid for 5 years AFAIK. The article doesn't say whether she previously held a passport or not.
Re:A woman's battle to prove she isn't dead by kjaftaedi on Sunday July 04, 2021 @02:40AM (#27727709)
The idea that if I feel like it I can just go walk up to a court and claim to be a dead person and they just have to accept it if I get someone to vouch for me is silly.

Sure it's easy, I'll give you that. The identity thieves would have a heyday cleaning out estates and running up credit until someone made it difficult again to assume someone else's identity.

Re:A woman's battle to prove she isn't dead by rootusrootus on Sunday July 04, 2021 @10:07AM (#27729718)
Please don't be disingenuous. I suggested we could do it the same way we do it now. It's a chain-of-trust issue, and not just anyone would be able to vouch for you.