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Re:I do not agree with Github's use of copyrighted code as t... by saurik on Saturday July 03, 2021 @10:26PM (#27726820)
You have said this multiple times on this thread now, but in addition to how the OSI getting to unilaterally define the technical definition of "open source" being controversial even within the software engineering community, you really need to be looking at the definition of words "descriptively" and most people seem to put even "shared source" (look but don't touch) models as subsets of the class "open source".

Regardless: Copilot doesn't only pick up "open source" code... it picks up any code that has been published under any reason including the large amounts of code that is on GitHub without any license at all or which was literally stolen and leaked onto GitHub.

Meanwhile, even open source licenses have restrictions, whether they be "you can't use my work without agreeing to contribute back your work to the collective", various forms of automatic patent grants and associated retaliation clauses, or merely "you have to credit me", a simple limitation almost all open source software comes with which Copilot launders away.

Re:I do not agree with Github's use of copyrighted code as t... by jefftk on Sunday July 04, 2021 @02:07PM (#27731495)
> the OSI getting to unilaterally define the technical definition of "open source" being controversial even within the software engineering community

I don't think this is controversial? The OSI defined the term when they introduced it, in the late 90s. When Microsoft came out with "shared source" there was a huge amount of pushback from people saying "don't think that this is open source" (ex: https://www.linuxjournal.com/article/5496)

> Copilot doesn't only pick up "open source" code... it picks up any code that has been published under any reason

I agree. I'm not defending Copilot, and I think the legal questions here are interesting and tricky. My pushback here and throughout this page has been when people say non-commercial licenses are open source -- this thread started with kuon saying "I have a lot of open source code that I love to share for things like education or private stuff, but if you want to use it for something real, you need to hire me"

Re:I do not agree with Github's use of copyrighted code as t... by oefrha on Saturday July 03, 2021 @11:16PM (#27726974)
> it picks up any code that has been published under any reason including the large amounts of code that is on GitHub without any license at all or which was literally stolen and leaked onto GitHub.

You are stating a rather arbitrary assumption of yours as a fact, unless you have concrete sources or evidence.

Re:I do not agree with Github's use of copyrighted code as t... by kuon on Sunday July 04, 2021 @10:01AM (#27729686)
This is the gist of it. I do not agree with OSI definition of open source but I won't argue about it here.

There are many OSI approved licenses with restrictions on use, like "your software must also be open source" or "contribute back your changes" or "give me attribution"...