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Re:Chimera Linux: a Linux distribution based on FreeBSD user... by hnlmorg on Saturday July 03, 2021 @11:47AM (#27722400)
> The irony is that without the GPL, most likely those folks would be stuck with the commercial UNIX clones many of us used during the UNIX wars.

386BSD (of which FreeBSD is based) is an independent lineage to GNU and was released under the BSD licence. Thus also independent to GPL. In fact for a period in the early to mid 90s, it was BSD which was used as the free "UNIX" with Linux seen largely as a hobbyist platform and Hurd little more than a pipe dream.

Linux might have since become the dominant POSIX server platform but to argue that GPL was the saviour of open source is a gross misunderstanding of the history of open source (and UNIX).

The reason Linux "won" was ironically because it was seen as more of a hacker OS. It was used more by kids because it was more fun to hack around with. Those hackers then grew up, got proper jobs in IT and continued to use what they were already experienced in...Linux.

Re:Chimera Linux: a Linux distribution based on FreeBSD user... by pjmlp on Saturday July 03, 2021 @12:13PM (#27722641)
Indeed and it was stuck in a legal battle with AT&T, while commercial UNIXes and Windows NT, were adopting stuff out of it thanks license.

Had Linux not happened, most likely I would still be deploying Solaris into production.

Re:Chimera Linux: a Linux distribution based on FreeBSD user... by hnlmorg on Saturday July 03, 2021 @06:00PM (#27725281)
That's an absurdly bold claim even by your standards. You can't predict how the industry might have evolved without Linux -- there's far too many variables. But even if you were to try, the fact that FreeBSD, OpenBSD and others are still thriving while Solaris is slowly dying off should be a massive clue that your statement isn't nearly as much of a certainty as your post makes out.
Re:Chimera Linux: a Linux distribution based on FreeBSD user... by pjmlp on Sunday July 04, 2021 @04:02AM (#27728024)
Good to know now I have standards to be measured against.

Solaris is dying because of Linux coming into the scene and Sun's mismanagement, being bought by Oracle that most cares about Unbreakable Linux, this wouldn't have happened in an alternative universe without Linux.

Plus it was only one example of UNIX, others could be given that were affected in similar ways.

FreeBSD, OpenBSD and others are surviving, hardly getting any upstream changes from Apple, Sony or plenty of others that take profit of the license, beyond some charity whenever they feel like, this isn't thriving.

It is no surprise that all POSIX clones competition against Linux on the IoT space, by those vendors not keen in upstream updates for Android, are using MIT/BSD and Apache licences.

Maybe this isn't up to my standards, yet it is what I believe.

Re:Chimera Linux: a Linux distribution based on FreeBSD user... by e12e on Saturday July 03, 2021 @12:00PM (#27722516)
> 386BSD (of which FreeBSD is based) is an independent lineage to GNU and was released under the BSD licence. Thus also independent to GPL.

Is there a non-gnu c compiler? I could only find: https://github.com/386bsd/386bsd/tree/2.0/usr/src/usr.bin/gc...

People tend to forget that Linux was a small project that provided a gpl kernel for the GNU system - not the other way around (hence GNU/Linux, Android/Linux, GNU/kFreeBSD etc).

Re:Chimera Linux: a Linux distribution based on FreeBSD user... by laumars on Saturday July 03, 2021 @03:55PM (#27724344)
I don’t think anyone in this thread would have forgotten that fact. The Op themselves mentioned Hurd (what was and still is intended to be the GNU kernel) so they clearly weren’t obvious to your point.
Re:Chimera Linux: a Linux distribution based on FreeBSD user... by drewg123 on Saturday July 03, 2021 @03:26PM (#27724089)
The desire for a non-gpl compiler is part of what drove the development of llvm. llvm is the default compiler on FreeBSD. Compilers are hard, and it took a while.
Re:Chimera Linux: a Linux distribution based on FreeBSD user... by nineteen999 on Saturday July 03, 2021 @11:28PM (#27727007)
> Those hackers then grew up, got proper jobs in IT and continued to use what they were already experienced in...Linux.

Honestly by the late 1990's Linux was what was being requested by a lot of employers, with Solaris being the most common system it was displacing (in my experience). BSD simply wasn't even on the radar for most employers/employees.

Re:Chimera Linux: a Linux distribution based on FreeBSD user... by hnlmorg on Monday July 05, 2021 @02:47AM (#27735236)
The "late 90s" is ~8 years after Linux's release though. So well within the time frame for uni students to have grown into hiring managers.