Scientists quit journal board, protesting ‘grossly irresponsible’ Covid study

Re:Scientists quit journal board, protesting ‘grossly irresp... by cm2187 on Friday July 02, 2021 @08:44AM (#27710755)

Well, in France for instance, this ICU specialist says that 3 patients out of 8 he saw going through the ICU are classified as covid patients because they tested positive but are not in ICU for Covid [1, around 18min into the video]. Now this is one ICU, and not all deaths occur in ICUs, so I wouldn't extrapolate it to national numbers. But it certainly makes me think that covid deaths are over-estimated.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1hOyShXHak

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Re:Scientists quit journal board, protesting ‘grossly irresp... by majewsky on Friday July 02, 2021 @09:33AM (#27711288)

Just because they're tested positive for Covid and later die in the hospital, doesn't mean that the death certificate will state Covid as cause of death.

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Re:Scientists quit journal board, protesting ‘grossly irresp... by cm2187 on Friday July 02, 2021 @10:00AM (#27711619)

That may be but it's not necessarily how the covid deaths stats are collected. I believe in the UK for instance, the definition of a covid death is a death that occurred within 28 days of a positive test, irrespective of the cause of death.

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Re:Scientists quit journal board, protesting ‘grossly irresp... by tastroder on Friday July 02, 2021 @10:20AM (#27711860)

There's not one way to collect these stats, see the section "ONS and PHE COVID-19 deaths data are produced in different ways and have different purposes:" in [0] on what the UK gathers how. Neither of which changes the excess deaths resulting from the pandemic.

It's just a matter of timeliness in some cases and up to the consumer of such data to decide which is suitable for which analysis (and honestly a moot point, no country tests enough to warrant the assumption that the odd accidental death that is later corrected would be worse than the effects of undercounting).

[0] https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/fre...

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Re:Scientists quit journal board, protesting ‘grossly irresp... by thatfrenchguy on Friday July 02, 2021 @04:26PM (#27716453)

Excess death data clearly shows this is not a big factor: https://www.liberation.fr/checknews/2021/01/15/covid-19-en-f...

Dude is also a known antivax: https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjpxwx/how-france-became-the...

Not too surprising when you see where he works ;-).

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