Re:Scientists quit journal board, protesting ‘grossly irresp...
by cm2187 on Friday July 02, 2021 @08:44AM
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Well, in France for instance, this ICU specialist says that 3 patients out of 8 he saw going through the ICU are classified as covid patients because they tested positive but are not in ICU for Covid [1, around 18min into the video]. Now this is one ICU, and not all deaths occur in ICUs, so I wouldn't extrapolate it to national numbers. But it certainly makes me think that covid deaths are over-estimated.
Re:Scientists quit journal board, protesting ‘grossly irresp...
by majewsky on Friday July 02, 2021 @09:33AM
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Just because they're tested positive for Covid and later die in the hospital, doesn't mean that the death certificate will state Covid as cause of death.
Re:Scientists quit journal board, protesting ‘grossly irresp...
by cm2187 on Friday July 02, 2021 @10:00AM
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That may be but it's not necessarily how the covid deaths stats are collected. I believe in the UK for instance, the definition of a covid death is a death that occurred within 28 days of a positive test, irrespective of the cause of death.
Re:Scientists quit journal board, protesting ‘grossly irresp...
by tastroder on Friday July 02, 2021 @10:20AM
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There's not one way to collect these stats, see the section "ONS and PHE COVID-19 deaths data are produced in different ways and have different purposes:" in [0] on what the UK gathers how. Neither of which changes the excess deaths resulting from the pandemic.
It's just a matter of timeliness in some cases and up to the consumer of such data to decide which is suitable for which analysis (and honestly a moot point, no country tests enough to warrant the assumption that the odd accidental death that is later corrected would be worse than the effects of undercounting).
[0] https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/fre...
Re:Scientists quit journal board, protesting ‘grossly irresp...
by thatfrenchguy on Friday July 02, 2021 @04:26PM
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Excess death data clearly shows this is not a big factor: https://www.liberation.fr/checknews/2021/01/15/covid-19-en-f...
Dude is also a known antivax: https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjpxwx/how-france-became-the...
Not too surprising when you see where he works ;-).
Random German state (Bavaria) for example [0]: Cause of death known for 98% of all COVID-19 deaths, 87% of these died from the disease, 13% from other causes. I just don't really see how it's misattribution when that data is available (which I assume it would be in any country not completely overwhelmed by the pandemic).
[0] https://www.lgl.bayern.de/gesundheit/infektionsschutz/infekt...