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Re:Otter Browser by roenxi on Thursday July 01, 2021 @06:42AM (#27697886)
> ...its weapon of monopoly is effectively change...

Rather novel weapon. This won't work, rapid change will just leave the large base of web developers behind. Tutorials and practices based on the Old Way hang around for decades.

Google putting out a standard is only going to help them if it is (a) in demand by web devs and (b) competitive with the old way of doing things.

I don't particularly like web apps, but they are a new field and rapid change in the standards is not really a sign of monopoly.

Re:Otter Browser by lucideer on Thursday July 01, 2021 @07:03AM (#27697969)
Unfortunately, this isn't how (web?) devs work. For a whole host of reasons, devs always prefer the new thing. This is likely a combination of factors: fashion (the same general social tendencies that make fashion a thing in any other industry), youth (new people are continuously joining the profession) but probably most of all: curiosity and a desire to learn new things.

You can try and model things on the idea of rational experienced senior devs all making tech decisions based purely on hard evidence-based demonstrations of material benefit of new tech over old tech, but reality is much softer than that.

Another factor is that Google's hold over SEO allows them to drive change through SEO requirements. E.g. there's always been a lot of overlap between new tech introduced and Chrome and requirements for Google search indexing, and that stands to increase with things like Core Web Vitals,

> rapid change in the standards is not really a sign of monopoly

Your statement here seems to be just picked from the ether and not actually based on anything in reality: there's no reason rapid change cannot be associated with monopoly.

There are many differences between how Google is approaching tech and how Microsoft did in the late 90s / early 00s but the its worth noting that second E in their infamous Embrace, Extend, Extinguish strategy most certainly involves rapid change in standards. This is hardly the only example, but it's notable I didn't even have to pick a different industry to find one.

Re:Otter Browser by imbnwa on Thursday July 01, 2021 @12:59PM (#27701347)
Think we're mixing up two things here: Google monopolizes the Web as a runtime with constant forward motion on the standards; no browser vendor can keep up, this is true.

However web dev practice has been driven by Facebook and its quasi-functional programming advocates for at least 5 years now (Redux/React). There's a whole generation of Web Devs that don't know that DOM Event handlers can be objects that bear the handleEvent interface because React prohibits that application for example, but that's a whole world of memory efficient async handling rather than generating throwaway functions for ever little thing

Re:Otter Browser by treis on Thursday July 01, 2021 @10:48AM (#27699567)
Chrome started forcing tab grouping on mobile so I've tried switching to Firefox. My bank's log in screen doesn't work and posting to Facebook Marketplace is broken. Not sure why basic functionality like that doesn't work but it does force me to keep Chrome around.