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Re:IBM's 18-month company-wide email system migration has be... by throwaway-ibm on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @05:23PM (#27693561)
IBM-er here. yep, it's kinda a disaster, but tech savvy people can access their mail (clearing cache & cookies every few hours helps for some folks).

Funny thing, IBM tried to move to Exchange for years, but it failed every time. Turns out, calendar integration (between Exchange and Verse/Notes) is tricky. Especially if you have to do it for 300000 accounts.

To be frank, I haven't received any meeting invites in 3 days, so I'm actually quite satisfied with the migration.

Re:IBM's 18-month company-wide email system migration has be... by jhgb on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @09:39PM (#27695491)
> I haven't received any meeting invites in 3 days, so I'm actually quite satisfied with the migration.

Task failed successfully?

Re:IBM's 18-month company-wide email system migration has be... by mlboss on Thursday July 01, 2021 @12:20AM (#27696238)
Task was successful because it increased productivity.
Re:IBM's 18-month company-wide email system migration has be... by verst on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @09:07PM (#27695315)
Migration from Lotus Notes is always horrible. In 2011 I worked on many migrations to Google Apps for Business (GSuite, Google for Work etc) and there was only one person in all of Google who understood Lotus Notes and could maintain the migration tool he had created.
Re:IBM's 18-month company-wide email system migration has be... by samus on Thursday July 08, 2021 @09:53AM (#27771955)
And every time a big user moves away from Lotus Notes (and other such dinosaurs, such as Cobol), it gets harder as this knowledge becomes more niche. The people doing it spend the rest of their career at that combany and that's it.
Re:IBM's 18-month company-wide email system migration has be... by spec-obs on Thursday July 01, 2021 @02:14AM (#27696730)
As a RH'er who has started to see a creep in contact coming from IBM'ers the past few days have been very peaceful.
Re:IBM's 18-month company-wide email system migration has be... by chris_j on Thursday July 01, 2021 @08:38AM (#27698496)
Pardon my ignorance; what does RH mean in this context?
Re:IBM's 18-month company-wide email system migration has be... by justinclift on Thursday July 01, 2021 @08:41AM (#27698523)
Red Hat
Re:IBM's 18-month company-wide email system migration has be... by chris_j on Thursday July 01, 2021 @10:13AM (#27699231)
Many thanks. I feel like I ought to have been able to figure that one out...
Re:IBM's 18-month company-wide email system migration has be... by ElViajero on Thursday July 01, 2021 @02:19AM (#27696760)
> IBM-er here.

What do you think that it is the level of competence of people at IBM? For what I read here in Hacker News, it would seem that you have very incompetent colleagues.

I am old enough to remember IBM with certain sympathy/nostalgia and I hope that the situation is not so dire.

Re:IBM's 18-month company-wide email system migration has be... by throwaway_ibm_1 on Thursday July 01, 2021 @10:29AM (#27699374)
Ex-IBMer here. I used to work for what was then called IBM Software Group in the early 2000s. I worked with some brilliant engineers, some of whom had spent their entire careers at IBM and achieved some amazing things. I worked with some brilliant managers as well. But the place felt rotten to the core.

I don't think there was a problem with the people so much as with the system. IBM, as you might expect for a company of that size and age, felt incredibly bureaucratic. Whatever you wanted to achieve, there was a process that made it hard to achieve it. Whatever good idea you had, there was a committee of people who would dilute and ruin that idea or simply forbid you from pursuing it. Whatever industry standard tool you wanted to use, you couldn't use it because there were IBM tools that you were required to use instead, tools that slowed you down and frustrated you (I'm thinking of stuff with Lotus or Rational in the name). Whenever you needed to make a decision, it felt like no one was empowered to use their initiative to make that decision. Frankly, it felt like doing good work meant having to go under the radar because IBM wasn't set up to allow you to do good work.

I did have good times there and I hear good things about the way that IBM has dragged itself into the 21st century since I left but I regret having spent so many of the best years of my career at that company.

Re:IBM's 18-month company-wide email system migration has be... by kmarc on Thursday July 01, 2021 @03:09AM (#27696998)
ex-IBMer here.

I was at IBM research (as an engineer), and thankfully I can say most of my direct colleagues were great and highly competent

...when it came to actual research. I think we had a good engineering core team too, but whenever we had to interact with "big IBM" (outside research) we mostly bumped into incompetent people, and career(money)-focused managers.

Fun fact, due incompetent management 90%+ of my team left in the past 5 years.

Since then I had to work with other IBMers (both engineers and managers/team leads) on different projects and although some of them I'd consider knowledgeable, none of the engineers were able to create high quality output.

But I guess this is the same in any monstrously huge organizations.

I would have been surprised if IBM could tackle such a complicated engineering problem like this migration.

Re:IBM's 18-month company-wide email system migration has be... by ElViajero on Thursday July 01, 2021 @04:54AM (#27697411)
> Fun fact, due incompetent management 90%+ of my team left in the past 5 years.

Not fun, but I get the idea. That is never a good situation. I has been a manager in the past, and I have seen many people that despises the position. I think that it is more important that people gives credit for, and that everybody seems to call out bad management but few appreciate good management because is "transparent" and it seems that everything will work without them.

Re:IBM's 18-month company-wide email system migration has be... by kmarc on Thursday July 01, 2021 @05:15AM (#27697506)
FWIW, my direct manager was indeed "transparent", as in, he wasn't managing us textbook-properly, but he definitely shielded us from upper management BS, while helping us out to achieve our goals and enable our engineering work.

I usually try to avoid assessing management as "bad" (it's just a downward spiral, everyone just says it, and trigger each other), but in this particular case it was so exceptionally bad that we all went into long discussions and analysis of it.

Re:IBM's 18-month company-wide email system migration has be... by throwaway-ibm on Thursday July 01, 2021 @04:44AM (#27697364)
IBM is huge... It's not really a single company, but like a bunch of independently operating companies that share (some) resources, and of course their name.

We have fairly high hiring standards in our office, but when it comes to interacting with people from other offices, I've worked with people I'd never hire. I work on the IBM Cloud platform, which seems to be one of the most innovative places at IBM currently (compared to GBS/GTS, the latter became Kyndryl recently).

Re:IBM's 18-month company-wide email system migration has be... by ElViajero on Thursday July 01, 2021 @04:51AM (#27697396)
>It's not really a single company

I heard similar things about Ericsson, here in Sweden.

> I work on the IBM Cloud platform, which seems to be one of the most innovative places at IBM currently

That makes sense, it is a newer technology. I think that as an engineering discipline we are quite bad at maintaining our systems. "old" systems become hard to work with and people just gives up. It should not be like that.

Re:IBM's 18-month company-wide email system migration has be... by sharkweek on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @05:35PM (#27693650)
I was gonna say - this sounds like a dream week for most.
Re:IBM's 18-month company-wide email system migration has be... by albatross13 on Wednesday June 30, 2021 @08:51PM (#27695229)
Hilariously enough, I imagine people are getting more done this week :laugh_cry_emoji: